You *have * heard of the Fifth Amendment, haven’t you? If not, you should read it sometime; it’s great stuff. Fitz couldn’t get Cheney and Rove without someone else’s solid testimony about their roles, because they couldn’t be required to incriminate themselves. That’s Civics 101, friend. But if they weren’t the ones on trial, that sort of information *could * be presented. Got it now, sport?
The truth is out there, and in simple language. The rolleyes are a special bonus, just for you, in recognition of your simple obstinacy. You don’t have to do any actual *thinking * if you don’t want to, of course, but that failure comes with a price on this board.
You’re ignoring the differences. In the Libby/Cheney/Rove case, nothing more was ever proven because of Libby taking the fall. In Starr’s efforts, nothing was ever proven because it wasn’t there. But you know that already, or at least have no excuse not to.
YOU brought up the Starr comparisons. If you can’t support them, and you can’t, that isn’t anybody *else’*s fault, now is it?
And, just for emphasis, :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Yeah, sparky, I do. It is absolutely a given for you that Cheney and Rove did something evil. If only someone would tell the truth about it, then we’d all know, just like you. But that’s also a given for you–Libby, given truth serum, would undoubtedly implicate the administration. Your spider-sense tells you this is so.
Standard Elvis blather. The truth is out there. Right.
Make your case, then sport! Lay out the known facts that show that Fitzgerald’s investigation had merit. Go on. I’ll continue to wait.
I did support them. I showed why they were analogous goatfucks that produced no real results relative to their initial objectives. This is hard for you, isn’t it?
Elvis, it’s reassuring to see you have maintained the level of debate you established long ago. How can I argue with this?
If you wish to call comments about your cavalier dismissal of the results of a trial as nit picking, I can’t stop you.
Are you claiming that the jury ignored the evidence and convicted based only on Fitzgerald’s closing argument?
The juror’s comments didn’t indicate in any way that the convicted based on that juror’s opinion that Libby was just a “fall guy.”
Did I bring up the claim that Libby was just a fall guy? I don’t think so. I started out by saying that LIbby’s lies and obstruction impeded the investigation to the point that no one else was endangered. Maybe he did it on his own. There was no claim that someone engineered him into doing it.
And was it Libby’s lawyers lawyers who claimed that he was a fall guy?
Since you were so helpful in providing a cite for my edification here is one for you. This mornings Los Angeles Times carried a story aboutthe averagesentence in obstruction of justice cases brought by the Bush administration.. It looks to me like there is no justification for GW’s claim that Libby’s sentence of 30 months in prison was unduly harsh. The average sentence in 3/4 of the obstruction cases brought was 70 months.
GW’s justice department has been a strong advocate of sentencing guideline to prevent judges from being too lenient. Yet he ignored the guidelines in commuting the sentence of one of his political cronies. This can have negative effects on the justice system.
And finally, GW’s action is contrary to recent practice with regard to commuing sentences.
You have no presented any real agument, just your claim that Fitzgeral was harsh on the Scooter in his handling of the case. Poor baby.
Incidently, the title of this thread furthers a misconception of what sort of prison Scooter would have gone to.
Leavenworth or its brothers in the federal system don’t have time or room to deal with the Libbys.
He would have gone to a Club Fed like the one at Eglin AF Base in Florida. There he would have lived in a dormitory and spent his time raking leaves, washing windows and doing other housekeeping chores around the prison and the base.
Before you go on about how soft these “Club Fed” prisons are, keep in mind that, in the entire system, there is not one sous chef on the payroll! Not one!
Or how Bill Clinton and Al Gore conspired with Fitzgerald and the judge to give Scooter the severe sentence of almost half the average length of sentences for others in cases of obstruction of justice. See cite here.
Actually, Boyo Jim, I’ve heard of people hopping up their Prius’s to make them go faster.
askeptic, it’s a reference to the movie Office Space wherein a couple of the characters learn that if their plan backfires, it won’t get them into a “nice” ClubFed-type prison, but one in which they can expect some very bad things to happen to them (namely, getting “pounded in the ass”).