Oh well, this is The Pit, so here goes:
<deep sigh>I hire a lot of people every year. They all have one thing in common at the very least: they present a clear, concise professional, bolstered by credentials with strongly-structured arguments in the interrogatory.
Your posts are tangled and lack grammatical basis; I suggest you get a coach to help you write a resume and conduct interviews. Teachers, even culinary, are simply held to a higher standard. And this shit does matter.
Well, it is the Pit and you are the expert on writing, I’ll try and use overly verbose and pompous writing style so you can completely feel at home.
First, You’ve never met me, read my resume, read any of my professional writing. So your comments are rude and obnoxious. Your help is uncalled for and uncaring. To suggest that I need help is beyond what I think a civilized person should do.
Don’t come back and over analyze me without knowing more about me. I have had it with the A-holes like you in life who think that they are better than the rest of us because of a piece of paper that somehow grants them some right.
You represent the reason American businesses are in the state they are in, so in part maybe this is the last of my posts here. I don’t need to hear from the likes of you ever again.
If you haven’t already, you might want to delete “people skills” from your resume’s qualifications section.
Hold up, now, why are y’all harshin’ on Dewizeowl? This is the Pit, not the Job Interview Ettiquette Forum. Mr. B made unfounded and insulting comments on Dewizeowl who reacted vehemently.
Please, are we making assumptions about people’s day-to-day behavior from the content of their Pit rants?
I’m sorry, I jes’ managed to dissect him with such a blunt little tool…
Mr. B…You have a job. congratuations, that makes one of us. You should be working instead of reading DSMB. You are getting paid to work. Perhaps, instead of playing manager, you should be working. Maybe instead of playing little personal mind games to make yourself feel more important, you should be working. Instead of feeling smug and superior, you should be working.
Maybe actually get your hands dirty, fix something that is broke in your company, take a stand on something that is wrong in your complay, instead of just taking your paycheck to the bank and sitting in your cube or office and reading SDMB.
And if anyone else is reading on company time, go back to work. The only way this country can get back on its feet is to have people actually work and make jobs by selling products, if they are not already made or support in another country. If yours does that, then who cares, they will out source you soon anyway.
Me go now. Wallet broke. Must fix. Shamed.
If you hear any laughter, bucko, it’s at you not with you. You’re not funny, you’re not even amusing. In fact, you are still what I called you before.
No, I’m making an assumption based on his reaction to a very ordinary, rational piece of advice. I had absolutely no problem understanding the OP and I certainly wasn’t critiquing it for proper spelling or grammar. But when Mr. B made his comment about getting a coach to help with resumes or interviewing techniques, I could see exactly where he was coming from.
Was Mr. B right? How the hell should I know. I don’t pretend to know dewizeowl, how he speaks, acts, or writes outside these boards.
What I do know is this: The advice given was elementary, logical, and not said in an overly harsh way. But the OP’s response? Way over the top.
“To suggest that I need help is beyond what I think a civilized person should do.” What? EVERYONE needs help! It’s ok to admit it.
“You represent the reason American businesses are in the state they are in, so in part maybe this is the last of my posts here. I don’t need to hear from the likes of you ever again.” Threatening to leave because ONE person makes critique? That’s a bit of an overreaction, don’t you think?
“I have had it with the A-holes like you in life who think that they are better than the rest of us because of a piece of paper that somehow grants them some right.” I think this is telling. Telling of what, I don’t know. I wouldn’t want to make any assumptions about his people skills in the real world based upon a few posts on a message board.
Frankly, I am ashamed of the hiring process at my university. People feel like they’ve thrown their applications and resumes into black holes because it is all run through the HR office. And I know my own office has never been good about call-backs after we do interview someone.
I’m not happy about it, but it’s not in my place to change it.
Just as an aside, we always send “regret” letters to the applicants who don’t make the cut. It would be nice if others would do the same, but judging from the amount of resumes we get for each ad, it’s probably generally viewed as cost-prohibitive.
Funny, just as I was reading this thread, Mr. Pug called. He has been trying to employ good applicant skills, and called an HR person to ensure she had received his fax from a week ago and to ask if there was anything else she needed. She bit his head off and said, “If you sent the fax, then we got the fax. I’m not going to go looking for it.” Nice!
pugluvr: Maybe dewizeowl got a job in HR instead!
With email in the picture, it would be criminally easy to automate the process. Of course, most HR people I’ve talked to are fairly incompetant themselves. Many are basically paid to pretend their company is hiring even when it isn’t, just so it looks healthy to outsiders.
I’m job hunting (though I have a job but I’m being used, abused and paid peanuts to do what I do) and it’s hard getting a job interview, much less getting another job.
I usually send a thank you note after an interview but I agree, I do appreciate a letter or a call back about the interview and if the answer is no.
I just wanted to point out how funny I think it is that so many people mis-spell “incompetent.” That is all. Oh, except Patty Smyth sucks.
<heavy sigh> Gaudere strikes again. That would be “are fairly incompetant” - that’s what I get for typing a word I deleted by mistake back in myself.
I’ve given up hope, regarding the no-thanks call or letter after an interview. I’ve been seeking a job for 17.5 months now, and have not received one single no-thanks. Just dead silence. I try telling myself that I probably don’t want to work for such a rude company, but I know, deep down, that I’d really like to pay the rent.
I just did receive two calls for a second and third interview, though, so perhaps the tide has turned. (crossing fingers, toes, and everything else I can cross…) Do I think for one minute they would have called to tell me “no”? Absolutely not. Business etiquette just isn’t what it used to be.
Frankly, I’m not sure how much I’d really appreciate a verbal no-thanks. It would probably hurt my already shaky professional self-esteem, at this point. Just the continued failure of the phone ringing for all these months has been quite enough of a slap in the face. 
I personally went to apply for a job, an hourly job in a place that I should own, not work for doing low level cooking. I probably won’t get it, because I think they will think I’m over qualified, but it is close and I think the hours will be better than most places (i’m a trained chef with little kitchen experience, but lots of other experience). But if they need someone, who knows. But anything is better than nothing.
MissGypsy, good luck to you. Boy do I understand shaky professional self-esteem. Mine ran out months ago, somehow I haven’t gone to drink or drugs just to have something to do, but hey it is a pasttime.
I realize I am the bottom of the ladder these days, the guys doing yard work are doing better than me, notthat it is a bad job. I look forward to the weekends so I can pretend that I have a job and am off like everyone else.
I so agree with this. The last rejection call I got was from a bookstore manager, half my age who told me in an upbeat chirpy voice (like she had wonderful news for me) that “the position has been filled.” ::tumbleweed rolls by:: “At this time.”
Send me an e-mail, write me a polite note. Spare me the humiliating call.
Good luck to all of you in the same boat.