What?
Siam Sam gives ‘nah-nah-nah-nah-nah’ replies to my reasonable request for an explanation of how in fact these changes are ‘working’ - and it’s just me who earns a reprimand?
That’s one hypothesis.
One with a bit more evidence to it is the hypothesis that the pathogenic ingredients in smoke linger on the smoker’s hair, clothing and skin in high enough concentrations to affect the growing, developing children that live with them.
How do the investigators control for non-parental exposure? Daycare workers, teachers, etc can be smokers. Seems like a difficult hypothesis to study.
AFAIK, most present studies are epidemiological and retrospective. One tries to match them as well as one can as for variables.
And if you have a population of kids who are in school/daycare and whose parents don’t smoke at all vs another population of kids in school/daycare and whose parents do smoke, but not in the house or around the kids, and you see that the kids in the latter group have more respiratory disease than the kids in the former group, what’s the most logical conclusion based on observed data?
Most would conclude that it’s the fact that the parents smoke that makes the difference, rather than invoke special pleading and saying that it’s more likely the children of smokers had teachers/daycare workers more likely to be smokers than the children of nonsmokers did.
Or, as we both know, Doc- addicts are heavily into denial.
I know a number of people who claim they are not smokers- as well, they are “trying to quit and they* have* cut down, right?”
Agree. Just curious how variables were being handled.
The (epidemiologic?) study I’d like to see is one comparing the level of “smoker hate” back in, say, the 1970s (when antismoking regulations were all but nonexistent) to the level of disdain held by nonsmokers toward smokers today.
On the one hand, given abundant research findings about harm associated with secondhand smoke you might expect greater hostility towards recalcitrant smokers today. On the other hand, public opinion and the regulatory climate has shifted so markedly against smokers and the right to non-smoke filled air in public is so well established that bad feelings against smokers ought to have subsided markedly.
It may well be a draw. 
I do not care at all if other people smoke. I wouldn’t date a smoker, but that’s it.
You cannot be serious.
So then you’re against rude behavior. Some people will stop a conversation because they need to refill their drink, or somebody they know walks into the room. I don’t have anything against people who drink or have friends; I have something against assholes.
Oh, come on. That’s funny and you know it.
50000 deaths a year- that’s Fifty Thousand dead- is more than “rude behavior”. It’s negligent manslaughter.
Smokers don’t disgust me, but the act of smoking sure does. I used to smoke and now cannot stand it or being too close to people who smoke. A whiff of it evokes a certain visceral disgust/recoil that I have trouble controlling.
Yep. If the tobacco plant went extinct tomorrow, the people who blow smoke in your face would be cutting you off in traffic and farting in line at McDonald’s instead.
Bingo.
The effects of free radicals via second hand smoke are clear. It is not a question of whether or not your health is damaged by second hand smoke, - the only question is the level of damage.
my aunt, a chain smoker most her life, came down with terminal LC. She was on a portable oxygen tank. It killed her.
We always had Xmas at her house every year, as well as thanksgiving…she never once thought to not smoke in front of us young kids…nor did her many siblings and other relatives.
The year she had the oxy tank & diagnosis, my brother had just started smoking for the first time.
So he didn’t think twice about lighting up at Xmas in her house…
Everyone shamed him big time, and asked him to never smoke in her house. Despite her also smoking in my parents house for decades while visiting.
Goose / Gander?
We’re going to go off tomorrow evening for another Christmas Eve smokefest at my husband’s aunt’s house, where anywhere from two to six smokers will be puffing away all evening long, in the house. I’m just getting over bronchitis, and the last thing I need is an evening of secondhand smoke, but to protest over the indoor smoking or not go would create too much family drama, so we just go and suck it up (and take a shower when we get home). It blows my mind that smokers will still puff away when they have a house full of non-smokers - these are very nice people, but I don’t think it has ever occurred to them that the non-smokers truly hate being around their smoky asses, and we would LOVE it if they could manage to smoke outside for a few hours each year.
This was my childhood. My mom and stepdad were chain smokers and the smoke hung in the house like a fog. I was constantly pestering them as a child to quit, especially after watching my father’s sister die of lung cancer.
My paternal grandfather also died of lung cancer, so I’m rather paranoid that I’m going to develop it - so I stay away. The last couple of times I was at my mom’s place I suffered from allergies and a sneezing fit all night, it doesn’t matter if I shower and wash all the clothes afterwards, I’m suffering for awhile.
Ya, okay. So standing next to someone who’s smoking is the same as being shot at.
I’m not sure I agree with this. I know smokers who would never think of farting in line or cutting you off in traffic.
It’s been years and years since I smoked. I did not understand then how rude I was being. I wish I could apologize to those I was rude to.
I used to not let anyone smoke in my home, I changed that policy.
Attractive young women that I have a chance of getting lucky with can smoke.
All others are going outside.
I hate smokers that force their kids to breathe that crap in though, but there is a cute single mom whom I would keep my mouth shut for.
If I ever get lucky I will tell her she needs to stop poisoning her daughter after the first five or six times.
If she doesn’t let me get any soon I’m just going to tell her anyway.
I don’t hate all smokers, just the inconsiderate ones. The smokers who willingly expose pets and non-smokers to that toxic crap. Or the ones who will smoke in a car full of people, especially in the winter with the window rolled down freezing everyone in the car. The smokers who protested the ban on smoking in restaurants saying it’s their right to smoke. It’s my right as a non-smoker to not breathe in your toxic smoke. If you choose to smoke, that’s your right to do so. Just don’t expose others to your toxic smoke. That’s why I chose not to smoke. Why should I have to suffer the consequences of smoking when I don’t even smoke? Why should pets or children suffer? Some smokers will actually choose to smoke outside, away from people and pets because they don’t want to expose them to that stuff. I respect those people.