Non-smokers: How rampant and how deep is the smoker hate?

In rehearsals for a play, sometimes your really going and it’s great. Then the smokers call a smoke break. And that’s totally acceptable. Nobody else needs a break, but they need a nicotine fix so we all need to stop.

But smokers do it mid-conversation too! You’ll be talking and suddenly they say: “Sorry, I know you don’t smoke, so I’ll just go and have a cigarette over there.” And then walk away. And that’s supposed to be polite, because they walked away. Well, lighting up right there is rude too, but so is leaving a conversation because you can’t do without your fix. The only acceptable answer is to NOT smoke.

Ah, so a potential small increase in your health insurance is = the deaths of 50000 innocent children and senior citizens. Yes, that’s certainly a equivalent, all right. :rolleyes::dubious:

And I’m not going to get secondhand fat by standing next to a fat person.

Actually, sorry, that number is a bit misleading. It’s 50000 children, etc each and every year. So, for the past 40 years, that’s **TWO **fucking Million kids, elderly, and other non smokers doomed to a *slow painful death due to asshole smokers. *

Hmm, Why the hate, why the hate? I wonder…

I’m not a smoker, and don’t care much either way about the habit in others.

And absent some kind of evidence, I do not believe what’s above. Can you show real data showing that second-hand smoke is directly responsible for that kind of annual mortality?

You’re looking at it from a financial point of view, according to this link you’ve presented.
Whatever, I gotta pay for somebody being a lardass or being stupid enough to smoke. That’s how it is right now, I’m over it.

But you’re missing the point that other people have been trying to point out is that at least with obesity, you aren’t getting fat or all of the detrimental health effects that the obese person is whereas with smoking you inhale all of the toxic shit that they puff out.

My dad’s obese. I was never developed asthma or was out sick for a week with a sinus infection because he eats too many hamburgers.

Actually, I found it on the NCI page. It cites another report, which in turn cites a 2006 Surgeon General’s report that I can’t get my work computer to open. At first glance, that’s staggering.

From the CDC website:

http://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/secondhand_smoke/general_facts/index.htm

There is info from that link about children and health effects, but not death rates.

Yeah, that’s what I found. But now I’m interested, and trying to read further.

I’m have mental trouble with these numbers, because my knee-jerk reaction would have been to dismiss this figure as impossible: if 50,000+ people actually died from SHS exposure every year, it would be flatly illegal.

“There is no risk-free level of contact with secondhand smoke; even brief exposure can be harmful to health.”

Try saying to a smoker. They’ll say: “So go away” and smile at you.

*Cigarette smoking causes about 1 of every 5 deaths in the United States each year.1,6 Cigarette smoking is estimated to cause the following:1
• 443,000 deaths annually (including deaths from secondhand smoke)
• 49,400 deaths per year from secondhand smoke exposure *
I assume my rounding to 50000 isn’t an issue?

This.

I’d go a step further: I do not go to bars that allow smoking and I have exactly two friends who smoke. They do so sparingly and never while around me, though at times I’ve had to be direct. It’s not a tolerance thing; it makes my eyes sting and my lungs burn. It’s not a difference of opinion.

I was once burned by a smoker in a tightly packed restaurant as a child; someone mindlessly outstretched their arm, boom, burned little lindsaybluth.

And I have a lot of sympathy for those 35+ who smoke. Under 35? Sorry, you were subjected to the same anti-smoking campaign and public information the rest of us were.

Not at all.

So this is a thing that is literally five times deadlier than driving drunk and I’m astonished that it’s allowed at all.

Law makers getting kick backs and money from tobacco companies and tobacco lobbyists are my only explanation.

I’m really pleased at how much better smokers have become in the last twenty or thirty years.

I grew up in a smoke-free home, in the 60’s & 70’s. My father had smoked but quit; my mother never did (unusual for her age, turning 20 during WWII). She used to rant about her bridge club, inventing ways to get even with the evil smokers (in jest, of course … well, mostly in jest.)

I have asthma and smoke exacerbates it. At my worst in the 90’s, I remember often passing someone in the hall at work who had gone outside to smoke, come up 6 stories in the elevator, and the residual smoke on his or her breath as we passed would cause my bronchii to start to clench up … I hated that but I could hardly blame the smoker.

Smoking used to be entirely the problem of the nonsmoker. People were blithely unaware of the wind direction and would light up without a thought no matter who was nearby, or how small the room was. Thank goodness those days are gone!

These days, while I pass by a smoking spot on my way to lunch (holding my breath) I actually feel sorry for the smokers. First, I could take another route and avoid, but I like the one that’s more outdoors. They only have two spots per building where they’re allowed to smoke, and when the weather’s nasty, they aren’t nice places to hang out.

Today, I find most smokers do pay attention to where their smoke is going. Of course, it’s a big blessing that smoking is no longer allowed in public venues, and in most workplaces. As a musician I hated coming home smelling of smoke after playing a gig or jam, and I never have a problem with that anymore. Nobody expects to smoke inside during a private party: they head outside. What a huge improvement over the 70’s! (In the 80’s, we asked people not to smoke inside, and that was usually well-received. Usually. In particular my wife’s brother’s wife ignored our requests and used a coffee cup for an ashtray. Grrrr. Good thing she rarely visited.)

I think the pendulum may have swung further than it needed to against smoking in public. I benefit from that, so I won’t make a big deal of it. I’ll be happy when smoking is mostly a thing of the past. If only we could convince schoolkids that it’s stupid, uncool, not adult, and disgusting so they wouldn’t be tempted to try it – but, good luck with that.

I still remember the day my son was disciplined for smoking in high school. I was beside myself with anger at him that he was smoking at all, and it turns out he was smoking regularly. He finally quit in his late twenties; I can only hope he stays on the wagon. Life has enough problems without adding unnecessary cost and health issues.

I have dropped clients who smoked and would not refrain from smoking when I was sitting there next to them. My father died of lung cancer. From what I understand, Mandy Patinkin’s father died of cancer as well, and he used that experience when he played Inigo Montoya in The Princess Bride. When I have to be around smoking, inside I’m thinking “I want my father back, you son of a bitch!”

Untrue. I know people who smoke one cigarette a week, or one a day, or only in times of stress. The key to avoiding addiction, I am told, is to refrain from carrying the pack on your person, and not to smoke while in the same room as the pack.

My work wife does this. She actually keeps her cigarettes in my office, so she can’t get one at work without my knowledge and permission. Not that I’d deny her one; they’re her property, after all. But it’s an easy check on herself land way to avoid losing control of the impulse.

Count me as someone who doesn’t hate smokers, but hates smoking. Smoking is foul and unhealthy. Smokers also commonly are terrible litterers; I hate that, too.

But I don’t hate the people, just their behavior.

In the USA, you mean. In Europe, nobody gives a shit about your problems with smoking. The bars are so thick with the stench that it’s difficult for a non-smoker to breathe. I remember being out with friends in Vienna for a few beers one evening. The two Austrian women across from me were chain smoking. I was next to the window, so I opened it a bit to get some air. One of the women says: “If you don’t like the smoke, perhaps you should stay at home.” A few minutes later, she deliberately blew smoke in my face and gave me one of those snotty Euro smirks. When she looked away, I plucked the cig from her fingers and dropped it in her beer. That was a tense few minutes.

Wow. This is why people hate smokers. Selfish and inconsiderate behavior. God forbid you dirty your car, the environment on the other hand…

Yeah. Almost every smoker claims to be considerate. Few are. Shakes is the really rare one who admits to shitty behavior. For whatever that’s worth.