I had exactly the same experience when I upgraded to XP, except I never got the new download code and ended up seeking an alternate vendor earlier than you did.
Norton sucks.
Kill the wabbit.
Thanks Scott , but it claims to work with Internet Explorer.
I am running Mozilla Firefox now explicitly to avoid IE.
I’m running ZA and Firefox right now. It shouldn’t be a problem.
Say what?
Removing horseshoes is easy. Removing horseshoes from a dead horse is even easier. When the horseshoes are installed, the nails are driven through the wall of the hoof. The protruding ends are then clipped and bent downwards so they don’t come out with a tool known as a “salmon mouth clincher.” To remove the the nails, you break off the bent over ends with a “nail nipper.” Then you may simply pull the shoe off with a tool called a “pull off (you just know that sounds right).” Should you not have a full set of farrier tools, you may remove the shoes in the field with a rasp and/or a pair of pliers. The key is to bend back or nip off the folded over nails, and the rest is easy. If you don’t and the horse is alive you can cripple or severely injure it.
No chain saw necessary.
It’s easier on a dead horse, because live horses get impatient and fuss or lean their weight on you while you’re working on them. Dead horses don’t care so much.
As for rendering plants? Well, those days are mostly gone. Disposing of dead horses isn’t that simple. Once the horse is dead, almost nobody can take it by law (depending on your state.) Disposal and carry-off fees run more like $500 (and that horse died on a trail ride. They came and took him with his shoes still on.)
Finally, your mistaken about the lime. Lime preserves dead flesh as it kills aerobic and anaerobic bacteria to a large degree and creates either an acid or base environment (I forget whichm) which is nonconducive to decay.
These days the common disposal method (whether you do it on site, or have it hauled away) is to compost the poor beast. There are actually guidelines for the amount and type of organic material necessary per pound of beast as well as necessary moisture content and drainage. To keep the process moving along it’s necessary to grind the compest to get rid of the bones which take a long time to soften and decompose. You’re not supposed to bury them in a pit or a hole because of drainage and groundwater and whatnot.
Or so say I, who have shod many a horse, and sadly disposed of a few.
Anyway, good thread. I guess I’ll take the near unamimous advice and not bother with MCaffee. I’ll go with AVG once I kill Norton.
Spavined Gelding:
BTW, thank you for bringing this subject up. I’ve been on this board for near 6 years waiting for the chance to mention that I own a Salmon Mouth Clincher.
Being able to show off my livestock composting expertise is an added bonus.
I owe you one.
Sometimes, if you’re lucky, you can bury the horse on your own property. Can’t do that in the part of Massachusetts where I live, but in some areas of New Hampshire it’s okay. Get a backhoe loader, dig the pit, lower the body in with the bucket, and cover it over. Let Nature take it back into the earth its atoms came from.
Which is why my old horse Nick, who’d been spending the summer out on grass at my friend’s farm in Canterbury, is buried there now. A pasture accident, a spinal cord injury, a desperate week of trying to save my partner of almost 14 years – then a gentle euthanasia. Now he sleeps forever in the place where he loved to graze.
April 3, 1982 - September 16, 2005. Rest in peace, old friend.
That’s a nice looking horse. Quarterhorse? Chestnut, or is it bay? I can’t be sure the colors are accurate.
Sorry he’s gone.
Thanks. Bright chestnut 16-hand Quarter Horse, by a halter and performance champion Wiescamp-bred stud. I still can’t believe he’s gone, sometimes, he was a great guy.
I’ve pulled a couple of shoes, when the horse had already yanked it partway off. Had nothing but a dull old set of nippers to do it with. Damn, farriers make it look so easy, but when you’re trying it yourself for the first time, it’s a bitch. I did it, and without pulling half the hoof off in the process, but sweated bullets getting it done.
Of course, knowing I was supposed to clip or rasp off what was left of the clinches first would have helped. 
Since there seems to be universal agreement that the Norton computer security is, if not a steaming pile of horse shit, a real pain in the ass to live and work with, and since we have an instructive high-jack going on the care and feeding of dead horses, I might as well advance the high-jack.
The common wisdom out here on the agricultural prairies is that use of quick lime hastens decomposition. In support see this monograph from the U of Florida. Whether the stuff works or not, it does make us feel better.
As far a horse shoes are concerned, you would think that pulling the shoes off a dead horse would be fairly simple. You would be mistaken. While a dead horse will not shift its weight on to you while you lift a foot or crap down the back of your neck, they tend to offer no resistance at all, save during a relatively brief period of rigueur mortis. Otherwise the foot tends to just sort of flop around like an under stuffed rag doll. To do it right you need a strong man to hold the foot still while you wrench and tug to bust the nails lose. What is really disconcerting is when a guy with a truck load of dead dairy cows pulls into your yard, looks at the deceased and announces that he won’t take it because it has shoes and the shoes really screw up the grinder, and incidently he needs $200 before he rigs the wench.
Eating the horse is not a valid option. Even if euthanized and presumably fit for human consumption, there is no butcher or locker around here that is experienced in the art of horse butchery. Presumably I’d have to transport the beast to Quebec to have the job done right. In addition a 1200 lb horse would probably produce 600 lbs of steaks, chops and ground meat. That is excessive for a moderatly size family and runs head on into the popular prejudice against actually eating Flicka or Black Beauty. One daughter did ask if we could have the hide tanned as an area rug. That idea even gave me the willies, not only because I’d have to skin it out.
We have only lost on animal right on the place –another died while loaned to a friend and he buried it, two more were sold and probably went to slaughter (a cruel truth about selling elderly and marginally usable horses). The horse that died on the place was buried in the barn yard. Now the same daughter who wanted his hide wants a monument erected saying something like “Rocky, a good using horse, 1975 - 2002.” We will see about that.
Feeling good is a good thing. This cite:
Says that adding lime removes nitrogen which is needed for decomposition and makes things alkaline.
So, I guess we can agree that lime is good when there is too much nitrogen and too acidic soil, and bad when there’s not enough or it’s too alkaline.
Not only does that let you feel good, it means that we both get to be right, and we both serve the facts.
I do my own trimming and shoeing, and have for about 15 years. Your mileage may vary, but I personally would find it much easier to work on a limp beast. Removing shoes takes me less than a minute per shoe. It’s a matter of nipping the nails and pulling. For me, it’s as easy as cake. I mean no bragging nor disrespect to report this. The next time you have a dead horse, email me and I’ll come running and have the shoes off in a minute.
The only issue that I can think of that might have made your life difficult is if you have a somewhat farrier. Contrary to what most horsepeople think you should do, you should only use four nails per shoe in most cases. You don’t have to drive a nail through every space in the shoe. Doing so is in fact counterproductive, as you leave yourself less to work with the next time you shoe your horse and may compromise hoof integrity. I just use four nails and I haven’t had problems with thrown shoes in years.
If your farrier fills every hole, trims the living shit out of the hoof and burns the shoe on, than yes, it could be difficult to get a shoe off that the hoof has grown around if it’s been on their for a long time.
Still, worst case scenario, give me my nippers and puller and I’ll wager a case of beer I’ll have all four shoes off in five minutes and be drinking your beer in the sixth every time.
On the other hand, if you had the chainsaw, you’d probably be even faster
Hey, I agree here, I don’t eat my friends.
I’ve had a couple of horses die on me, but I must concede I never did deshoe a dead horse, so it’s possible I may be talking out of my ass. On the other hand, I’ve done a lot of living ones. I would just get down and wedge that hoof in the crook of my knee, and I imagine I wouldn’t have any surprises.
Interesting hijack, wideranging thread, and I can’t beleive the bunny’s still alive.
I could be wrong, but it’s my understanding that any animal euthanized by lethal injection is considered unfit for human consumption. Presumably a horse put down via gunshot or captive bolt would be consumable.
By the way, here’s a Wikipedia discussion of taboo meats. No way, short of imminent starvation, could I bring myself knowingly to eat filet of Flicka.
Not to interrupt an excellent hijack but:
Yep, you’re right. I downloaded it anyway and it seems to be working fine.
Thanks saoirse , when in doubt, always trust a Doper.
Show some respect to the President, most of us didn’t know he knew anything about computers other than how to play games.
Anyway, that was sweetly alliterative.
The answer to the question that wasn’t asked is that the Norton Security Suite or other integrated Nortan AV program should be installed before anything else goes on the computer.
I think the answer to the question is don’t install Norton at all. Before, after, during, it doesn’t matter. Just say "No."
Your are Cyrus Grissom and I ain’t geeting on no plane wid you.
To which I say :-
We didn’t re-up with Norton–and every day we get that damn red box…your subscription to Norton is expired, click here to renew your subscription,
And if you click on it, it goes to a dead end.
I wish I were computer literate, as my husband (who is) refuses to do anything about this.
:rolleyes:
Don’t know nothing about no dead horses…ewww.
I’ve been through all that rigamarole too, but Firefox+Ad-Aware+AVG + MS Anti-Spyware (seems to be good!) protect me now. Oh, and I run PrivacyEraser every night. I still have Symantec bits lurking about that I never could get rid of.
My brand new laptop which I ordered almost in time for NaNoWriMo is supposed to be Symantecally-virgin (Scylla: have you tried NaNoWriMo? you like marathons). I will protect her from Norton warriors’ defilement.
As far as mods, I stuck out my new neck and shared a lovely photo and commentary that pled for world peace, in IMHO. I sure got put in my newbie upstart place. (No Point indeed!)
Norton sucks. McAfee while better is still not worth your money. If you feel as though you must pay for AV software use Trend Micro.
What really bothers me is that it seems the vast majority of sellers (dell, whatever) insist on starting you off with this crappy piece of software, and even use it as a selling point.
No one is ever going to convince me that the virus protection companies don’t actually write and distribute the viruses.
I remember a few years ago, I was parking my car here in Baltimore and as I exited the car, this guy comes up to me and says, “I’ll watch your car for you for a couple dollars.”
“No, thanks.”
“You know. . .make sure it doesn’t get scatched or anything.”
Thanks, Norton.
Oops, I meant to say Adblock. I don’t really need Ad-Aware anymore.
This scam was considered the height of intelligence and sophistication among my high school peers in the mid 70s.