NotfooledbyW....AAAARRRRGGGGHHHH!

If that were true you would retrieve it or restate it to show the world just how wrong I am.

Gyrate has expressed agreement with my position that the two statements in question are substantively the same.
Tell us quite simply if you agree with Gyrate’s assessment; and if not, why not.
Remember this is in the context that you asserted quite emphatically that my version was innacurate. But then you had to accept that what Tony Sinclair linked to was based on words from Blix.

All you need to do tell me you now understand that what I said in the first place was substantially correct and properly used in my discussion with Adaher.
Now is that so tough?

It was incorrect and you’re stupid.

Wow you’re right. That was easy.

It’s a worthy goal, outsmarting Tungsten.
After all, it’s very bright.

Gyrate’s agreeing with me in the two statements is greatly appreciated because he did not have to post it. I explained why I couldn’t agree with some things he also said.
I took his agreement as unconditional. It was an honest expression of what he thinks,
If demanding accuracy and honesty from one that came out of the blue into a discussion I’m having with other members without a ruffle of anyone’s feathers going on and tells me that one statement made during a rolling dialogue is untrue and an aberation from reality, is alienating people, then let them be alienated.

And then come to find out in that same thread, XT admits that a link provided by another poster shows that my comment was accurate, buy XT rants on about all my flaws and problems, then I’ll do what I’m doing and if that alienated people, so be it.

I can do nothing with or for them.

Why did someone who agrees generally with me, attack a statement that I made that has no problems among anti-war folks anyway? Blix preferred inspections to war. Why was that attacked?

You don’t seem to grasp the purpose of the BBQ Pit. Let me see if I can help you out.

Sometimes, in a debate in one of the other forums on this board, a poster proves to be so stupid, ignorant, or dishonest that debating him is pointless. That’s when someone brings things here, so they can hold that person up for ridicule to the rest of the board. The point is not to rehash arguments with the blockhead, it’s to give everyone a chance to point and laugh at the idiot.

I hope that clears things up for you. If not, well, I’m pretty sure you’re going to get a lot of practice with how things work down here.

A LOT of practice.

I don’t think you know what unconditional means, read the quote again, what Gyrate pointed out is still a condition that you have to keep in mind, and his exasperated “sigh” and what you posted here shows that he was on the money. You still ooze unnecessary pedantry and just plain pigheadedness.

That phrase “proves to be” should be enshrined in the bbq heading: all things proven to be. Efn hilarious!

That’s funny. XT is the dishonest and absurdly siily one. One reply to post #52 leans my way and begins to verify that. No other replies to #052 have come in. If none come in it proves this forum is oblivious to facts, common sense or anything worthwhile. Your ‘proves to be’ is as absurd as XT’s accusation.

People are pointing and laughing “from the bleachers” because they’ve realized you’re playing a different game from everyone, with rules that you make up along the way. No one, well accept maybe the long suffering Human Action, wants to “play” with you. You don’t seem to know how the game is played.

It’s practically a scandal!

Not until enough of us agree that it is.

He can be saved! All he needs is a stern mentor and adviser, for which I nominate John Mace.

I would volunteer, but its the season I usually spend gathering wild flowers. Priorities.

I almost feel bad for you. It’s like a particularly stupid baby chick swimming blithely around in a pond chalked full of crocodiles. Really, really hungry crocodiles…

Sorry, I don’t see any substantive difference between NotFooledByW’s word salad about Bush and Iraq as a kneejerk response to criticism of Obama, and any other person’s “what, would you rather Mitt Romney be President?” smokebombs, besides the fact that he’s less intelligent and less capable of using English. The underlying tu quoque fallacy is the same. I think this guy scares you because there but for the grace of a good middle school English teacher goes most of the Democratic hard core on this board.

Yes.

You’ve got a concrete skull
Couldn’t shut up you’re an imbecile
You’re an ugly dog there’s nothing to gain
You couldn’t shut up got a bad bad brain

  • Ramones

If you mean me, I don’t fear him. He doesn’t, quite, reach the level of black hole stupidity where there is any real danger of him sucking all of the intelligence out of the board. And, unlike with The Gonz, I don’t fear for him…I don’t think, for instance, that he might be stupid enough to forget to breath and do himself a mischief.

I disagree with your overall point as well. I think most of the liberal democrats on this board not only have a good grasp of the use of English, sentence structure and syntax, but also ARE highly intelligent and go well beyond the ‘what, would you rather Mitt Romney be President’ type argument fall backs. There are many, many liberal posters on this board, and trying to pigeon hole them all into this is just silly. There are posters on this board that I almost never agree with, but who I ALWAYS read, because of their thoughtful, insightful posts, and the fact that they challenge my own world view and make me rethink my own stances on things.

Sadly, NFBW is not among this elite group. He’s really not fit to even clean the hamsters cages, unfortunately.

The Crocs here, have marshmallows for teeth and no sense of smell and are blind in one eye and can’t see out of the other. Facts are real teeth. Thought is worthless if you can’t smell your prey or see it. Grow some teeth.

It will take your explanation as to why these two statements are not true, or factual or not reflective of Blix’s point of view on his work just prior to the war before I concern myself with your having any credibility with the line of attack which started when you popped in to my discussion with Adaher and told me that my statement was all wrong.

“Blix’s professional recommendation was that unfettered inspections were working and SH was cooperating more than necessary to avert war”… and … “Blix clearly states that Iraq is fully cooperating, that he expects the remaining issues can be resolved in a matter of a few months, and that the continued presence of the UN team will prevent Saddam from resuming prohibited programs.”

Or perhaps you could explain why you attacked my point to Adaher in the first place as some kind of fallacy.
I am one of the few posters here that believed in September/ October 2002 and continues to believe that Bush, and Democrats and Republicans alike sitting in Congress were correct to vote in favor of granting Bush the authority to use military force against Iraq because at that moment in time Iraq was in violation of international law because of it’s failure to be disarmed and because there were no inspectors inside Iraq working on that disarmament process.

I believed confronting Iraq was the correct course for Bush to take because of the uncertainty revolving around the potential for Iraq to have chemical or biological weapons and they could be used. I was not concerned about the nuclear issue.

I recall that you have mentioned that you supported the war at the start but have since turned against it. I take it that means you possibly supported the vote to use force as I did.

So our differences must revolve around the role of inspections as I see it.

I supported the vote to use force fully with the understanding that I had seen a change in Bush’s war actions in September 2002 when he put Colin Powell as the face of the pending confrontation against Iraq. When in December the inspections began and it looked like we had the opportunity for peaceful disarmament as I watched deeper into January seeing that inspections were working but there was no back down in the drumbeat in favor of war.

I marched in protest in DC hoping that the mindless talk of necessity of war would be curtailed. By Late February 2003, a range of polls showed American support fading as the inspectors continued to find nothing. One CBS poll said six of ten Americans prefer that Bush allow inspections to continue instead of starting a war.

So I am one who believed in the first days of March that Bush should have been held to his word that he wanted to disarm Iraq peacefully and avoid war. You apparently believed something else at that time.

Perhaps you believed Bush when he said Iraq was not cooperating and was indeed hiding the most lethal weapons ever devised. I didn’t.

But whenever it was that you decided that Bush was wrong to invade Iraq if that is what you believe, why do you have to be so opposed to what matters critically to me about that two week interval prior to the actual start of war?

I didn’t make something up about that, as Tony Sinclair’s cite has shown you.

What is the problem you have with this statement in the context that I was replying to Adaher whom I believe is terribly wrong to use things Blix said to enable Bush to lay out the claim that Iraq did not cooperate, and that he had no other choice but war.
What was so wrong with this. I really want to know.

“Blix’s professional recommendation was that unfettered inspections were working and SH was cooperating more than necessary to avert war”…

Blix had proactive cooperation weeks before the invasion. That is unfettered inspections and inspections were working.

Why would you attack me for saying it?

May I suggest it might be more fun to find a woman to obsess over?

Nah. He’ll go all non-partisan on his ass. We don’t want that! :wink:

If he can’t take the luke-warm, he should get out of the kitchen!

You just canNOT let go of an issue, can you?

Dude, are you autistic? Serious question.

If you have engaged in a discussion, and while minding your own business with a few other intelligent engaging decent folk, and then along comes some buttwipe know it all, who takes a shot at one of your statements telling you that you essentially have lied by distorting that persons’s cockamamie version of reality, and that rude untruthful interloper goes around telling many blind uninformed souls that you could not defend such an indefensible lie, hollering cite, cite, cite as every other word (my hyperbole license is intact) although in the midst of the rude and malicious interruption, another poster of fine reputable persuasion and upbringing informs said interloper that the questioned statement matches the truth of the matter without a stitch of reservation, and then this rude pontificating mugger ignores the truth blaring before his eyes and he pits you hoping to bring derision and ridicule to one who merely told the truth, that you would let it go.

Serious question. if you would let it go, are you a man or are you a mouse?