I submit two instances of unrelated events separated by years does not a pattern make.
YMMV
If more credible accusations come to light I’ll be right there with you.
Tweeden accepts Franken’s apology. The victim thinks an ethics investigation is up to Congress. The victim sees no need for Franken to step down, unless other women come forward.
Sounds reasonable. I think there should be an ethics investigation though.
Well, in fairness, it’s also the Republican Party whose voters appear prepared to elect Moore to the Senate in spite of it all. But I will concede that at least the non-Alabama parts of the party’s leadership have dealt with the situation somewhat better than I would have expected.
…not every Fox News commentator is “prepared to tell lies in order to hurt their political opponents.” Not every word that comes out of a Fox News commentator is a lie. Being a Fox News commentator is not the equivalent of a “Scarlet Letter.” A claim of sexual harassment should be examined independent of hyperbole.
You seem to be struggling with things to “tell me.” Just tell me already.
Then it’s rich, rich irony that the rest of your post is a long-winded explanation about why you oppose calls for his resignation, and it was followed immediately by posts by “those two”.
A darkly suspicious mind might wonder if the prospect of testifying under oath might have given her pause. Did she make this statement after Franken publicly welcomed such an investigation?
It’s the party that rallied to Trump, and continues to do so, for the most part.
I’d encourage that “darkly suspicious mind” to go fucking stump for Roy Moore, because that’s where they’d feel most comfortable, and where they belong.
We’ll see. Hopefully they’re having these conversations right now in the leadership and will come to the right decision. If they don’t, I will be quite disappointed.
That put Donald Freeking Trump in the Oval Office?
I see a re-education camp in your future. I’d recommend a tactical retreat, amigo!
Yeah, 'luc, you’re treading down a dark, lonely path peppered with “Roy Moore for Senate” signs.
The Dems take part of the blame for that too. Not just the Repubs
Got any matches?
Right, yeah.
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Honestly, my mind is free of suspicion and the evidence to me suggests that Tweeden is a stand up woman.
A range of interpretations is consistent with her claims. She called out Franken, but isn’t pressing for blood. Here is her depiction of her motives:
I frankly don’t think the picture depicts groping. I have a relatively charitable view of events so far depicted, a view that would change if more women come forward against Franken. But at the very least we have a real opportunity to curb asshole behavior to some extent, including the drunk pics that Snowboarder Bo linked to. I see that as a good thing.
I submit that defending someone who shows a pattern of aggressively stalking women by saying that only two have come forward so far does not good sense make.
What’s the exact number, and what exactly do you mean by ‘credible’ - do the two so far count? Your statement sounds like you’re committing yourself to something, but it really isn’t - you can keep saying ‘we need more for me to believe it’, or do like several people in this thread and claim that even the perpetrator admits to aren’t credible.
I could easily see Franken making a similar joke with the sleeping guy next to her where he’s holding a jar of vaseline and making a thumbs up gesture near his groin.
The thing I see that’s different with Franklin versus the other men (and it’s a minor difference) is that he’s making a joke that is sexual in nature as opposed to being sexual. I also feel that way about the kiss. He was trying to be funny in a crude way. I would bet that if he was rehearsing with another comedian, they would each be trying to take it over the line in a funny way (maybe she’d grab his butt when they kissed). I feel that sort of line crossing is seen as okay between comedians.
The other harassment claims are from men who are trying to be sexual and are trying to have a sexual experience. I don’t think Franklin was hoping the rehearsal kiss was going to lead to a makeout session. I don’t think he was getting all turned on or hoping it would lead to anything. He thought it would be funny in the same way we might make a big, fat “SMACK” sound when kissing our SO in front of other people.
I’m not trying to excuse what he did, but I feel his motivation is different than the other men. All these accusations coming out are good since it will hopefully lead to men not crossing that line even when they’re just doing it for a joke.
The Republican Party establishment did everything they could to stop Trump, but ultimately the voters have the final say. And now the guy is president. Unless you think he should be impeached over pussy-grabbing, you need to deal with him. Doesn’t say anything at all about anyone’s opinions of his harassing actions.