It couldn’t have been there.
That article is dated “12:11 am on May 14, 2007.”
Door’s OP is dated “05-13-2007, 05:49 PM.”
May 13 comes before May 14.
Or maybe not.
Wow. Now that’s an original insight. Golly bum - who’d’a thunk it??2?
Now, the connection to this thread is…? Oh, that’s right - you can read my mind. I’m infected with jingoism.
Nevermind. :rolleyes:
I simply used your post, which wasn’t exactly benign towards Doors, as an example of how members of the military are usually treated with kid’s gloves in this particular environment. Hardly a first, BTW.
Sorry my doing so it has caused you so much grief, but Kreskin I am not. Just a bit of common sense will suffice.
Again, so fucking what? You’ve done pretty much the same thing. And I notice you completely ignored the question I asked, even though you quoted it in your post.
Oh, one other thing. You’re complaining because it wasn’t clear who he was criticizing unless you followed the link he provided? You gotta be kidding. Is it so much trouble to click the link?
And yes, we all know how blogs work. We know that Kos has it’s main attractions, and then lots of other nobodies. I’ve only been there a few times and I know that. You’re just pissed because an “outsider” dared to criticize it. Trust me, it can stand up to a little criticism every now and then.
I daresay, John, that no, we don’t all know that. Would that we did. If I could somehow impel people to a cite, Daily Kos would be a candidate, but would likely lose out to *Think Progress *or Josh M.'s Talking Points Memo. But, no, we don’t all do that, quite a few of us never do any such thing.
Think and Talking appeal to the hyper-rational lefty, the lefty that believes that facts alone are sufficient, spin is extraneous for us, spin is for* them*, they need it, we don’t. A site like Democratic Underground doesn’t appeal to us as much, too “hot”, too emotional, too much drums, not enough cowbell.
So part of the response to AD is defensive, we are annoyed by the moonbats and the Trotskyists, because some clown is always ferreting out some pipsqueek opinion and flailing it about with abandon, and using it to flummox and mislead otherwise reasonable people who simply don’t know any better. There are thousands of people, hundreds of thousands, who’s only awareness of MoveOn.org is the fixed certainty that they called Bush Hitler.
All of these facts, all of this cool reasoning, useless, because two morons work in unconscious collusion. Or, in the case of the “Hitler” humbug, one gullible moron and one cunning moron.
I don’t doubt Airman’s bona fides, nor his lurching but commendable steps away from the path of political error. Trouble is, he just doesn’t like the people he feels compelled by his reason to agree with. So I also don’t have any problem thinking he bought this one at face value, few of us have any problem accepting something we already pretty much believe. I also don’t think its much of a BHAD, he’s coming along nicely, and I for one will be very interested to see where his political opinions evolve ten years after he stops lacing up combat boots.
Ms Pelosi failed at her mission, the skies are not filled with troop planes bring home our troops NOW. Never mind that such is physically impossible, never mind that a system of movement and compromise simply doesn’t snap that fast. She didn’t deliver, she must be shoved aside and replaced with someone more confrontational. The probability that such a person might actually *retard *progress towards the goal doesn’t enter into their tiny little brains.
We might live long enough to achieve our goals, if we don’t die of sheer exasperation, the fatal interference of friends and allies.
Yeah, right. Those sites have plenty of spin. If you can’t see it, it’s only because it’s your spin.
How blessed are you, to so readily see the mote in my eye…
Excuse me, but did that sentence just do a backflip and bite itself on the fanny? A post that “wasn’t exactly benign towards” a member of our military is “an example of how members of the military are usually treated with kid’s gloves in this particular environment”??
I hope you realize that made no sense at all.
Let’s assume what you really mean is that I’m not being as harsh towards Doors as you think I ought to be. As Holmes might add, not only do you have to ask if pro-military attitudes on my part could cause that, but whether there are any other factors - like my knowing Doors personally and regarding him as a friend - that might also cause it.
The thing about common sense is that it doesn’t operate well in the absence of data.
I explained why I didn’t. You didn’t respond.
An interesting thing to say, right after quoting my answer.
Bullshit. The OP is crystal clear in its indictment of that one particular blogger and you don’t need to go to the link to see that he was not indicting Kos as a whole. In fact, I misspoke above when I said you were upset because **Doors **criticized Kos-- he didn’t. You just interpreted it that way.
You are, of course, absolutely correct vis-a-vis my using your post as an example, for it clearly wasn’t written in the “reverence mode” I spoke about. Thus I agree with you that I jumped-in from the wrong starting point.
Doesn’t mean I haven’t seen it happen time and again.
Look, again, my only point is how militaristic in general the American populace has become. To me, soldiers are simply people with uniforms on, and like in any other profession you’ll find the good the bad and the ugly. Thus I don’t quite go along with the whole “support the troops” simplistic rallying cry.
As for you and Dave being friends, good on both of you. I’ve obviously got no truck with that.
Excuse the fuck out of me, but what part of:
didn’t you understand?
That’s why I had to go to the link. You are being dishonest in saying I didn’t need to do so to see that he was not indicting Kos as a whole. Such a blogger would be someone chosen by Markos Moulitsas, and such remarks by someone he’d handpicked, on his website, would quite reasonably cast him in a bad light.
Same as a blogger handpicked by Roger Simon and Charles Johnson saying idiotic things in their little venture would badly reflect on them, if you’ll pardon me for bringing up that diversion of yours again.
Whether it’s ‘nutpicking’ depends on who’s doing the picking. That should be obvious. The people *I choose *as companions says something about me. Random people who wander into my site and post a comment, don’t.
This passage suggests are category of being, a “Kos-head”. Generally, when those sorts of categorizations are made, a group identity is suggested, either overtly or otherwise. The comparison with the Freepers merely underlines the glaringly obvious.
But no! Not really, there is a perfectly innocent explanation, an obscure cultural reference!
You mean this movie?
This quote?
“…These, Tom, are the Causeheads. They find a world-threatening issue and stick with it for about a week…”
I, and several others herein, have been tiresome about these very same issues for longer than you’ve been alive. Puppy. Now get off my lawn!
So, all in all, its pretty hard not to see some slam in all of this, Dave, esp. as you end with a quick swipe at the Dems. You ain’t chucking daffodils here.
Which is perfectly fine, ain’t nobody delicate here. Personally, I’m inclined to think you simply didn’t know about how things are done over there, the typically anarcho-democrat approach to posted expression. In that sense, your comparison to the Freepers is apt, its pretty wide open, and the orbiting stations will be heard. And there just isn’t any other reasonable way to interpret your remarks but that you think such raving common amongst the Kossacks, and disdain accordingly.
No fair.
(And where in the bleeding hell did you ever see PCU? You on a double date with Tucker Carlson? Ah, Jeremy Piven, Chris Young…where are they now, we wonder? And the unforgettable Sarah Trigger…)
No prob.
I can’t disagree with you; I’m just trying to figure out what that might have to do with this thread. I confess I’m still drawing a blank.
Finishing up the thought: the nutpicker tries to make something of the random person wandering into my site and holding it against me. To make something of other posters I’ve chosen to share my soapbox, and using their comments against me, is as fair as a line drive into center field.
Right once again. It was a rather off the cuff remark I made, seeing Dave once again, picking-up on a rather innocuous and unknown blogger, to make some sort of political statement and/or score some cheap points. Somewhat akin to saying you are as bad as we are.
And the present moment – and not in the least for many of the reasons you have mentioned – that simply doesn’t sit well with me.
Once again, apologies if my thread-jacking has thrown you or anyone else for a loop. Wasn’t my intention, I just went with a gut-feeling I’ve been having for quite some time.
Thus endeth my misguided participation in this thread.
Sorry, not buying that. You might choose to interpret the OP that way, but that says nothing about what the OP intended. You are accusing him of a sin of commission with only the slimmest of evidence of a sin of omission.
It wouldn’t surprise me in the least if **Doors **is pretty contemptuous of the folks over at Kos. But he was careful enough in his OP to use the third person singular in this particular instance.
And you falsely claimed that I could discern his meaning without actually clicking on his link, when in fact I couldn’t, which was why I clicked on it to begin with. Now can we get past this?