Please don’t let Sam do to this thread what he has done to others, and make it all about him and and endless debunking of his lies plus dismantling the cites he incorrectly uses which already contradict his own points: he’s done it to death.
He has his own thread, and yes, I think he’s just trolling now. Please, I want to follow this thread for Musk, not yet another (earned) S_S pitting. Pretty please?
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The site fairly well warns you that they’re a biased source and unlikely to present things in the full context, so it certainly is evidentiary of living a poor information diet on Sam’s part. But, that all being true, it is a video clip of someone saying something and it’s better to simply look at the thing, find the context, and demonstrate the issues with it, rather than dismissing it without consideration. That just feeds the other person’s sense that you are the one locking yourself into an information bubble and not them. There’s no rule that you can’t both be guilty of the same crime.
So, @Sam_Stone , let’s properly check your video.
First, let’s note that even the context free clip that you posted doesn’t say anything near to what you described.
If we continue on to look up the actual, full, unedited and meaningful context of the video then we have to contend with problems like these:
Now, to be sure, having a technology that allows your insurance company to track you is questionable. Once there are technologies for this, the companies have a pretty strong incentive to tell you that you either need to accept tracking or to pay for your procedure on your own.
But, personally, I don’t see any issue with bringing that topic up in response to a question that’s directly about that. And, likewise, I might be specifically inclined to mention the insurance angle - if I was being asked - because I think that it’s an important point for people to start thinking about, seriously. The are pros and there are cons. If you just let those pills slip out into the world without much discussion then you’re creating a situation where, suddenly, several years later you’ve got a bunch of nutters finding out about it and going crazy that shadowy groups are making people swallow microchips.
Talking about a thing is not an endorsement of that thing.
I do, personally, endorse finding neutral, unbiased sources and dumping any that offer things out of context, make factual assertions that are false (e.g. that there’s discussion of “the authorities”), and/or which explicit try to be biased and skewed. The last in particular is real dumb. It’s like someone telling you that they’re an alcoholic and then you put them in charge of running your nightclub.
This shit ain’t hard sometimes. If they’ve made it real easy for you to know, and you proceed anyways, then that’s pretty demeaning of yourself.
Fair enough, I just find it fascinating that he’s now using dubious cites and even dubiouser logic to attack Musk.
I don’t think that even Vin Diesel could pull a 180 that quickly.
I’m not an anti-vaxxer. Jesus. Fully vaccinated here, as is my entire family.
You people have lost your ability to read critically. You seem to have lost the ability to hold in your heads the notion that someone can believe in science and vaccination, yet still believe that global governance and WEF-style massive interventions in the economy and society are a really bad idea.
You are so used to assuming that anyone who isn’t a lock-step lefty is a complete idiot about everything that you can’t understand how some people can have a more selective view of all politicians and accept that they do some things right and other things wrong.
Partisanship (and Trump, probably) has melted your brains. I have no problem at all believing that some of you can have idiotic political positions, yet still be really good on other topics. I don’t know why you would assume otherwise, unless politics infects everything you see and think about. If so, I feel bad for you. There’s a lot more to life than who’s running for office.
It’s like being called a ‘Musk fanboy’ because I don’t join the barking monkey chorus who has suddenly decided that everything he’s ever done was a lie, that Tesla cars are crap, that SpaceX is just government pork, and that Musk is no one special, all because he did something you don’t like.
I’m fully capable of thinking that Musk is one of the most positive forces on the planet at this time due to SpaceX, Starlink in Ukraine and Tesla building the EV industry, while at the same time thinking he can behave like an ass, say stupid things that get him in trouble, make poor decisions (along with great ones), and have good and bad days. Like most humans.
What seems to matter to you guys is a binary tribal choice: are you in our tribe, or the other? Musk has given you clues that he may not be in your tribe, so now everything he does must be mocked, and nothing he does can be acknowledged as good, to a ridiculous extent. And the tribe on the right is doing the same thing. “Oh, he’s hired a WEF person? That’s it! Cancel my Twitter Blue!”
On the other hand, I always knew Musk was a WEF-type globalist and transhumanist, and I don’t care. I was pretty sure he was a left-Democrat as well until recently. Again, I don’t care.
The ability to separate politics from the rest of life is a critical skill that people seem to be rapidly losing. That will lead to a bad end. “Everything within the party, nothing outside of it” is a totalitarian impulse inconsistent with a free society and tolerance. It’s up to you to decide how intolerant and judgmental you want to be.
Still with the not of the body/not of the tribe horseshit? 
Typical tribal anti-tribe talk.
I never said you were. I said you’re knowingly posting antivax information. My best guess is it’s to troll or own the libs.
I picked that source from a google search purely because it contained the video. I don’t read that cite, and I tried to find the video on others, but that’s all I got. I was just trying to provide the video, as requested.
And I said later that I was mistaken in attributing the under-the-skin thing to Bourla, who in that clip was talking about pill form tracking. I conflated it with another WEF conversation about RFID chips being used to track people. It might have been Yuval Harari or someone like that. If I find it, I’ll post it.
And I ALSO said that just because the WEF presents something doesn’t mean they endorse it, and pointed out that anyone can buy a presentation at Davos for an ungodly amount of money.
But I also pointed to evidence of actual WEF programs being implemented and linked to press releases right from the WEF web site.
For example:
That was implemented as ArriveCAN in Canada, and it met with widespread opposition, caused massive delays, and was immediately used to implement a vaccine passport system.
This increased fears that under a Trudeau government it would become a social credit system like China’s, especially after Trudeau praised China’s ‘basic dictatorship’ for its ability to get things done without those pesky people having a say, and asked rhetorically whether the right wing in Canada should be tolerated as they ‘take up space’.
The program was crazy expensive, the app was buggy, and the whole project eventually cancelled. Thanks, WEF.
The reason Canada and the Netherlands keep coming up is because the WEF is thoroughly infused in the cabinets and parliaments of both countries. As I said, Chrystia Freeland our deputy PM is a WEF executive, and apparently more than half of our Parliament has gone through the WEF leadership programs. The PM of the Netherlands is a WEF big wig, and wrote the policy on fertilizer that he is now trying to implement in the Netherlands.
So those farms must either sell to the government on their terms, or figure out a magical way to stop using fertilizer, or the government will just foreclose on them and seize their farms anyway. 3,000 of them.
The Netherlands does use a lot of fertilizer. But as a result, they have the most productive farming in Europe, and for that matter they are the only country in Europe that is more productive in farming than the US. They practice high intensity farming, and it pays off wonderfully for Europe. They produce an incredible amount of food for a tiny country.
So of course let’s shut down 3,000 of the most productive farms in the world.
Trudeau wants a 30% reduction of fertilizer use in Canada. In modern farming, that’s close to meaning a 30% reduction in crop yield. We don’t fertilize if we don’t have to, because that stuff is expensive.
Those are the kind of harms I think the WEF is causing, not chips under the skin. Global governance is a horrible idea, and the rules global governments make are likely to be bad for everyone except the people leading global governments and global NGOs with the ear of government.
You did not say that. You and everyone else knew that you were, but you didn’t say it. You talked around it as if you hadn’t been wrong. You know, like somebody knowingly peddling dogshit right-wing talking points would do.
Have you heard the word of Landru? I’m suspicious of you, brother.
Anyway, are you seriously suggesting that tribal impulses are not growing? Holy cow, just go read what this board was like 15 years ago and compare it to today.
Actually, in one sense it’s not. The ‘bases’ are just getting louder and have more reach and affect more. In actual numbers, people are fleeing both parties, which are in the minority. The largest category of voters in the US no longer associates with either party. The Dem and Repub bases are turning off the normies. In 1990, the two major parties had about 70% of the vote between them. Now it’s less than 50%.
The two major candidates for President both have popularities in the 30’s. The bases dutifully support their godawful candidates, but the normies don’t want either one. Of course the parties are becoming more tribal. And people are fleeing that nonsense.
Nope, you are joining that nonsense.
The individuals promoting these ideas were waving upside-down Dutch flags and wearing red handkerchiefs, both symbols of the Dutch Farmers’ Movement, which has contested state-sponsored environmental programmes affecting Dutch livestock farmers. Together with the anti-vax banners and upside-down Dutch flags, there were dozens of Canadian flags. Why?
The far-right has used protests in the Netherlands and in Canada, specifically the Dutch Farmers’ Movement and the Canadian Freedom Convoy, to capitalise on anti-government sentiments developed locally to promote the idea that there is a transnational far-right. This article argues that even though a connection between the Dutch and the Canadian protests did not exist at first, disinformation on the existence of a link based on a common threat spurred solidarity. The result has been the formation of a real form of transnationality uniting both movements – but one sustained by conspiracy theories fed with far-right narratives.
Incidentally, no, you are not an antivaxxer, but the sad reality is that the shitty sources you use do include a lot of anti vaccination information together with your conspiracy riddled anti-environmentalism.
I’m sure Elmo censoring Twitter for Erdogan has absolutely nothing to do with this;
BTW the reports I have seen point out that the Netherlands has just about 53,000 farms. Take that together with the fact that many solutions are being made tailor made depending on the region, and that the reports point also that not all those 3000 polluters are farmers, and that they will be compensated… the reality is that if there are no reforms to deal with the pollution that affects not only the environment, but people too, that this is just an effort to delay reforms that many others have been able to do.
Then this does look like it is once again a manufactured freak out of the right. That in reality is working with a lot of help from the polluters, and it is not just the few farmers here.
I’m suggesting that you are projecting your own tribal worldview onto the ‘others’ you think you are seeking to pwn. Actually no, I’m not suggesting it; I’ve already stated it, showing you left leaning people who have always considered Elmo to be a narcissistic nut-bag, long predating his takeover of Twitter and what you choose to view in some twisted lens of ‘leaving the tribe’. Who knows, maybe the people you politically associate with are incapable of independent thought and are now fleeing from Elmo because he’s shown himself not to be ‘of the tribe’ because he’s appointed someone who’s going to sell us all out to the One World Government, force us all to take the mark of the beast via RFID chips and is bringing about the birth of the anti-christ onto the Earth. I’d suggest that’s a you problem and a problem of the people you politically associate with, not a problem of ‘the other.’
And taking lines from Star Trek’s space hippies episode doesn’t make you witty or clever, it makes you sound even more unhinged than you do already.
ETA: actually, it sort of reminds me of your boi Elmo’s embarrassing attempts at trolling. Is that the look you are going for?
The only people I ‘politically associate with’ are on this board. I’ll leave it to you to decide if that qualifies.
I do not participate in right-wing sites, I don’t read right-wing media, and I have posted exactly once on twitter, years ago. I don’t have cable and don’t watch Fox news. I do see occasional clips on Youtube and elsewhere, just like I do for other media. I don’t care for Tucker Carlson or Sean Hannity, I despise Trump, probably for reasons other than yours.
If I were tribal like you say, why would I be here? I take a huge amount of shit on this board, yet I don’t run away to other sites more favorable to my opinions where I could get patted on the back instead of attacked.
You should try it sometime. Go to some right wing site and try to make your views known. Then you too can find out what it’s like to be in a small minority in a tribal environment.
The first sign of a fanatic is that they can’t take a fucking joke. In the meantime, you get your yucks calling Elon Musk ‘Elmo’, which isn’t even funny.
Hey, got an agile joke? Those are always a hoot. Especially the 100th time.
That’s the Landru episode. The space hippies episode–one of the greatest pieces of filmed entertainment ever–is a different thing. Herbert!
This has already been quoted, but it bears repeating.
For the record, I think Sam is correct to observe that people here think a little less critically than they should about topics and individuals that are associated with the left or right, but other than using his posts as a reminder to avoid groupthink and critically assess each case, I don’t think it’s worth engaging, and it does rather derail the conversation.
The Return of the Archons is more Space Mennonites than Space Hippies.