Now that the dust has settled on the Trump's Russia Hoax

There’s a Russian conspiracy theory that Trump prefers blondes? Last time I looked, he was married to a brunette, but I suppose that doesn’t mean much.

As to Lewinsky, Bill Clinton was investigated for real estate improprieties and ultimately impeached for an affair. Do you have an inkling of wonder why Trump might not want to go down that same path?

Ivana Trump and Marla Maples are blonde (same with Stormy Daniels) so I think Melania is an outlier. Even her hair is highlighted, at least sometimes.

I think it’s safe to assume he likes lighter hair in general.

That’s from Trump’s first day in office.

I will concede to your greater research into the subject of Trump’s women hair colour preferences.

Remind me why this is a topic for discussion?

That had nothing to do about the election, it was about his ability to serve as president without a conflict of interest. It wasn’t run by Democrats either.

It is run by two groups, Free Speech for People and RootsAction, which believe Trump’s possible conflicts of interest are grounds for his ouster, the Washington Post reports.

That’s nothing like the elected Republican officials who continue to spread election fraud conspiracy theories.

Beats me, I didn’t bring it up. Just going with the flow.

He did start breaking laws from the first day in office, so it would make sense that there would be a petition to hold him accountable for it.

You could take note that it didn’t get very much traction on the left, but if you were to do something like that, then it would disabuse you of your bothsidism, so is likely to be rejected out of hand as it doesn’t fit the narrative that you want to build.

Tell that to the Feds, who fined the casino $10 mil for anti-money laundering violations.

It seems to me anytime a candidate “loses” an election with a majority of votes that “stolen” election conversation will continue in one form or another.

Your argument is entirely right, and although this not the subject you’re discussing, it represents the problem with American bipartisanship and extremism on both sides of the political divide. 2020 Republicans are undoubtedly worse than 2016 Democrats, at least when it comes to the recognition of the Presidential election. I fully agree that the Republican congressman that refused to ratify Biden’s election were in the wrong.

Does that wrongness therefore apply to all Republican political objectives in the current Congress? I don’t think it does. I think that objections to the expansion of government spending and government control are entirely valid. But somehow that argument isn’t being debated on its principal ideals, or even the political ideals. Instead the debate seems to be based purely on factional party ideals. I’m back to “bothsideism”, but with a positive take that each side will consider the other’ concerns and come up with a compromise.

I mean this thread is supposedly about the Trump-Russia issue, not “all of government in the United States.” I do think that assessing the merits of the parties loses its value when one party has a very significant portion who have sent clear indicators, they no longer consider elections valid unless they win. I voted for Republican candidates 95% of the time until 2016, and I will never vote for another one again until the party has clearly resolved its anti-democratic wing back to a very small fringe minority–that’s my opinion on the “larger political” spectrum, which again, I don’t think the thread is about. The “size of government” doesn’t mean fuck all to me if one side wants government to enshrine Trump as a dictator.

So you claim that Trump

but don’t offer a cite of what laws he broke on his first day in office. And did the protestors just predict this unspecified lawbreaking, and assume Trump should be punished for it? Because, if that standard was applied to any minority group, my belief is that you’d disagree with that application.

So we’re specifically discussing Russian anti-money-laundering activities, correct? Where in your cite does it say that Trump laundered Russian money, much less Russian money that could be tied to Putins’s government>

The FinCEN cite is to counter your argument that the casino was not engaged in laundering money.

I never made any such claim; I claimed that the laundered money was tied to Russians. Putin does have ties to Russian mobsters, though.

Which Trump-Russia issue? This thread is about “Trump’s Russia Hoax.” You can equate that to poor Republican Party policy and actions if you want, but that seems a bit of a stretch.

Respectfully, you’ve actually touched on exactly what is so infuriating about the modern GOP, and I’m not even sure you saw it.

Between 2016 and 2020, the GOP grew the deficit. They slashed taxes (for the rich and big businesses permanently, for the middle class and poor temporarily), and continued to spend more money every year, raised the debt ceiling 4 times, and at no point did they utter a single concern about spending money like a toddler with a credit card.

But now, all of a sudden, it’s a big enough deal to shut down the government and stop paying soldiers.

It’s the hypocrisy. Look at how McConnell refused to do his Constitutional duty and advise, let alone consent, to a Supreme Court justice, but pushed through a hyper partisan Justice in record time in very similar circumstances.

The GOP doesn’t govern. They have been using their time in office to destroy how the government functions, and they are doing it intentionally. See the Post Office, which the GOP has been trying to get rid of for decades, so they pass laws making the USPS insolvent due to insanely strict future budgeting obligations, then scream about that insolvency and use it as justification to change how the USPS functions.

Look at how the Democrats handled Al Franken, compared to how the GOP handled… Trump, Gaetz, Kavanaugh, Moore, etc. etc.

The GOP lies, constantly, about things. MTG goes on talk shows and talks about how the Democrats have a “Radical Socialist Agenda”. Which is not true. But they say it all the time. The Democrats don’t do that, certainly not even close to the same scale.

The GOP in Congress impeached Clinton, a purely political move. Thankfully the Senate did not take up that cause.

The GOP refused to even allow the idea of punishing Trump for his abuses of power, his election interference, or inciting an effort to overthrow the Democratic process and institute a dictatorship.

The Democrats have flaws, lord knows, but you are comparing apples and cats. They are so far apart in levels of bad that it’s insane that anyone who still tries the “both sides are the same” can do so with a straight face.

I just did some digging and found one possibility: Vyacheslav Ivankov :arrow_right: Ivan Myazin :arrow_right: Vlad’s cousin Igor Putin.

I’ve addressed this..

OK, I’m not saying he committed all these crimes on his first day in office, but as far as I can tell there’s no precedent that says if the President manages to get through his first day without violating laws, he gets a free pass for the rest of his term. Not even for Republicans.

That question is pending clarification with OP. Any general Republican policy issues you’re referring to were not brought into the thread by me.

Paul Manafort is a horrible human being who made his living cleaning up the reputations of murderous dictators and rigging elections in Eastern Europe on behalf of Russian-aligned interests. His mere presence on a US Presidential campaign should’ve raised alarms throughout our intelligence agencies. They would been negligent NOT to investigate based on his presence on the campaign alone.

While there was no evidence of collaboration between the Trump campaign and the Russian government, there was plenty of evidence of collaboration between the Trump campaign and Russian individuals with unofficial connections to the Russian government. This is not proof of innocence, it proof that most Americans don’t know how an oligarchy operates.

The fact that the Trump campaign actually took a meeting with some people claiming to be acting on behalf of the Russian government for the express purpose of getting compromising information on a political opponent should’ve been damning. The fact that they claim not to have received information at this meeting does not whitewash it. I’m frankly shocked at the amount of moral slippage that has happened nationwide since 2016, and the fact that federal law enforcement and our security agencies shrugged this off is evidence of the gradual corruption that has happened since then.

So much so that in 2020, Rudy Guiliani openly worked with Russian agents to obtain dirt on the Bidens, and he’s said that he was aware that they were probably agents of the Russian government.

If you hire a hitman, you are not exonerated simply if the murder attempt is unsuccessful.

The Ukraine scandal was simply a continuation of the Russia scandal, an escalation enabled by the multiple failures to hold Trump accountable. Russia benefited greatly from Trump’s action in this debacle, God only knows how many Ukrainian lives were lost in their war against Russia because of the delay in receiving military aid.

Russia has been very successful in their campaign to destroy Democracy in the USA, importing techniques that they have used very successfully to gaslight their own citizenry. Why is George Soros such a bogeyman compared to other liberal donors? Is it just coincidence that’s he’s Putin’s archenemy?

I found this post by a Russian immigrant on the Reddit Q Casualties forum. It’s long, but he explains the breakdown of reality in modern Russia and its export to the US very well

A quote from the post:

“I’m writing all this to give you a context that what you experience as QANON in the West has started in Russia much earlier. The blatant lies, the media hysteria, the undermining of Democratic values, the polarization of society. The tools are the same and so is the goal. To destroy democratic principles, give power back to authoritarian leaders and turn society into a cult-worshipping mob.”

I take it that you did not read your own cite?

I thought since you had already provided it, you knew what it contained, and wouldn’t be silly enough to ask me to cite what you already had.

I guess I was wrong, and you did not bother to read what you cited, for some reason.

For that reason, I don’t think that there is any value in continuing any sort of conversation with you here, I see no productive value if you would make such an ignorant statement and accusation, all based on you not reading what you personally cited.