Watching on MSNBC.
Asshat spokesman for the NRA wants more guns in schools. So far he’s been stopped twice by two different protesters complete with banners and everything.
Will post link when on e becomes available.
My hat is off to those protesters.
Amen.
If I understood him, it would be better to control video games, movies and the media instead of controlling guns.
And they propose armed guards at every school in America, because that’s the only course of action a patriotic God-fearing citizen could possibly endorse.
way to miss the point, guys.
Real classy shouting down someone else’s news conference. :dubious:
The anti gun folks have already had their say for days. I’m sure the press will continue acting as their mouthpiece for the next few weeks.
a few years ago I saw an absolute stinker of a movie, but it had one quote I still like:
“A ‘protest’ is where a bunch of people get together in a big group and show the world how much they don’t understand by shouting it over and over.”
I have no problem with armed professionals at schools. Arming teachers though is beyond stupid.
And his idea that we should sully freedom of speech in order to protect the sacred 2nd amendment is stupid as well.
And don’t forget that thinly veiled reference to those dastardly criminal minorities.
No, his point was that there is no justification to restrict gun ownership in any way shape or form. The solution isn’t to remove guns but to add more guns and make every aspect of our lives based on armed security. I don’t buy his premise, and his polarizing approach to the media and blaming everyone else is just icing on the cake.
We have a tax problem so we need more taxes. We have a crime problem so we need more crime. It all makes sense.
For those who didn’t see the speech, here are the salient points:
Hearts go out to CT
Have refrained from speaking until facts were known. Others tried to exploit.
Now time to speak out.
Most pressing question: how to protect our children today, in a way we know works.
Face the truth: gun free school zones tell insane killers that schools are the safest place to inflict maximum mayhem with minimum risk.
Priorities out of order. We protect banks with armed guards. Airports, offices, power plants, courthouses, sports stadiums have armed security. President has armed SS agents. Congress surrounded by Capitol Police. Most beloved, innocent, vulnerable members of American family – kids – society leaves them utterly defenseless every day. Monsters and predators know it, and exploit it.
This much change now.
Protestor. NRA killing our kids. Stop the violence. NRA are the perpetrators.
Society populated by unknown number of genuine monsters. So deranged, evil, driven by voices and demons, no sane person can possibly comprehend them.
Anyone believe the next Adam Lanza isn’t planning his attack right now? How many more copycats?
National media machine rewards them with attention and sense of identity they crave.
Refusal to create national database of mentally ill = no idea how many there are
Killers, robbers, rapists, gang members…
Federal gun prosecutions down 40% - lowest in decade. Violent crime now increasing for 1st time in 19 years.
Hurricanes, terrorism, etc will make it worse.
There exists in this country a callous, corrupt industry that sells and “stows” (?) violence against its own people through vicious, violent video games. “Kindergarden Killers” game?
Exasperation
Blood soaked films like American Psycho, Natural Born Killers. Music videos show murder as way of life. Called “entertainment.”
Fantasizing about killing = filthiest form of pornography. Piped right into our homes every day/hour. Childred witness 16,000 murders before they reach the age of 18
Corporate media = silent enablers, oif not complicit coconspiritors.
Gun owners demonized
Protestor “NRA has blood on its hands.”
Media demonized lawful gun owners rather than face their own complicity.
Dishonest arguments. Semi ~= machinegun. Claim use of civilian weapons by military. Call .223 high power. Perpetuate dangerous notion that one more gun ban will protect us, where 20,000 others have failed.
Heroic school staff, professional cops unable to stop this. Time for us to assume responsibility for our schools. Only way to stop monsters like this is personal involvement; only way to stop bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.
Prefer 911 call good guy from mile away or minute away?
Since when is “gun” automatically a bad word? Gun in SS agent hand’s isn’t bad; gun in soldier’s hand isnt’ bad. Glass breaking at 3am, call 911, can’t pray hard enough for gun in the hands of a gun guy to get there fast enough.
Why are guns good to protect government agents, but bad to protect kids?
Duty, right to protect kids.
NRA called crazy years ago when suggest security in every school. Might have made a real difference if they’d been in place last week.
So abhorrent that you’ll continue to risk the alternative? Is press and political class so consumed by fear, hatred of NRA & gun owners, where you accept a world where defense against monsters is an unarmed principal?
No one has the right to impose that sacrifice.
This president zero’d out grants that would have protected schools.
With all the foreign aid, all the $$$ in the budget, can’t we afford a cop in every school?
Even if so, no right to deny us the right to protect ourselves.
Protection plan should be devised for every single school. Immediately make American schools safer relying on cops.
Cop budget strained; low resources. Dedication and courage second to none, and can be used now.
Congress: appropriate whatever necessary to put a cop in every school. Make it happen by return of students in January.
11,000 police training instructors in NRA ready to help.
I C&P’d this from another website, but the rules about cross-board linking make me hesitant to cite this properly. I do agree that the points listed above accurately reflect what Mr. LaPierre said in his news conference.
In terms of statistics, schools are INCREDIBLY safe places for children to be. There are something like 55 million K-12 students in the US. The year of the Columbine shooting, there were 26 violent student deaths in schools (including the 14 at CHS)…meaning the odds of a student dying in a violent situation in school were about 1 in 2 million that year.
Comparatively, the likelihood (among all Americans) of dying in a car crash in a given year are about 1 in 5,000…or about 400 times more likely than dying in a school shooting.
In addition, sources indicate that school violence peaked in the early 90s and has been on a steady decline ever since…I’m guessing back then it was more, smaller-scale incidents and not the mass shootings that get massive media attention, but schools are still getting safer.
It’s pretty easy to get caught up in a single (albeit unspeakably TERRIBLE) incident and infer that schools are generally very dangerous places and that they all need armed guards…but the numbers really show that it’s really not the case.
A child’s death is always a terrible thing, but nobody is talking about making cars safer or reducing speed limits or any number of other things that could probably save a lot more children’s lives than putting armed guards in every elementary school or changing gun control laws.
Just my opinion! And I’m not a so-called “gun nut” – the only gun I own is a bolt-action .22 made in the 1950s that I received as a graduation present from my grandma (it belonged to my late grandfather). I’ve never fired it.
Did anyone expect the NRA to say anything other than what they did?
I was wondering if they would suggest arming the teachers.
And how do these ass clowns propose paying for this scheme, especially in an era when schools and municipal governments are being squeezed and conservatives cry fowl at any mention of tax hikes.
Out of all the bullshit in that press conference, this bit has to be the bullshittiest.
Was Adam Lanza’s mother a “good guy” or a “bad guy”? She was a law-abiding gun owner. I’m sure she didn’t want those kids to die, but they were killed with her guns. She had guns, and she didn’t stop this particular bad guy. There’s lots of grey here, lots of tough questions.
But go ahead, guys, keep reducing a complicated societal issue to ridiculous platitudes like this. It just shows the rest of us how deluded and simple-minded you are.
American Psycho? Natural Born Killers? So he’s blaming movies from the previous millennium for this? Also, what’s this talking point about the media “glorifying” mass killers? I don’t and have never seen any “glory” in the coverage of these shootings. Sure, some of the killers’ names become part of the national consciousness, but in the sense of “this guy is burning in hell forever” not, “wow, cool, he’s famous, don’t you want to be famous like him?” And what does he propose? News media blackouts on mass shootings?
Keep the Second Amendment with arms from the Second Amendment. It would be tough to kill very many folks if you had to reload your musket after every shot. But it still protects you from intruders!
I have to get a safety inspection on my car every year.
To get my license, I had to demonstrate that I can drive.
If I drive around with as much as a tail light out, I can expect to be pulled over and cited.
I am not allowed to own any vehicle I want. For instance, I am not allowed to drive a military tank on the highway. I am not allowed to trick my Subaru out with a rocket launcher either.
But if you suggest to a gun fool that it’s against society’s best interest to allow regular citizens to walk around with assault weapons designed for optimal maiming and killing, they act like you’ve just wiped your ass with the constitution.
I don’t know what’s wrong with letting people buy any kind of gun they want, but requiring them to be secured at a remote location–like at a gun club. You want a small handgun for personal protection? OK. You get two–one for your person and one for your house. Outside of that, your shit goes in a locked vault at a registered facility. You wanna masterbate with it? Fine. You wanna target shoot? Great. You just can’t have your own home arsenal. And if you can’t tell a gun dealer where you plan on storing your weapons, you can’t buy them. Just like you can’t drive a new car off the lot without proving you have insurance on it. Boo-freakin-hoo if this an inconvenience. Society shouldn’t have to cross its fingers and hope you or a family member aren’t insane in the membrane.
There are a myriad of workable solutions. But as long as the extremes drown out the grown-up’s conversation, nothing will ever be accomplished.
Funny how in most of these mass shootings the “bad guy with a gun” was technically a “good guy with a gun” only hours before becoming a “bad guy with a gun”.
This is why these “discussions” suck ass. Both sides do little more than poison the well, throw buzzwords and sound bites back and forth. “Assault weapon.” “Optimal maiming and killing” (whatever the fuck that means.) “Gun fools.”
OK, so you’re fine with me having two things that can be used to harm someone else, but any more than two and it’s an arsenal? What problem does this solve?