Don’t know about Hawaii but most of the headlines I’ve seen here in the States are that there’s nothing to worry about. I haven’t heard any discussion of it.
There was one anti-nuke expert talking about how horrible it would be if there a full, explosive meltdown but I really don’t think anyone cares at the moment.
Exactly! Nobody really cares what happens. Even if all four reactors explode, melt down and go boom, you will hear how safe nuclear power plants are. That’s the important message to get out right now.
The REAL danger in all this is it might make it more difficult to build nuclear power plants. That’s the most important issue.
So what does your wonderful engineerless society look like, you insufferable moron? You want to live naked in a mud hole eating wild nuts and beat in the brains of anyone who figures out how to knap flint and make cutting tools? (Engineers.) Don’t bother with fire, or clay ceramics, or animal skins, because they all have their dangers and can be put to evil uses? Have fun watching 9 out of 10 of your kids and everyone elses die before their 1st year in that world. You colossal prick. Who the fuck do you think you are? What do you do in the world that’s remotely useful or beneficial to your fellow man?
Every damned improvement in human existence since apes started to walk upright is owed to the engineers. And yes, things will go wrong. You don’t get to build and cross bridges without some of them collapsing. Sorry. You don’t get to fly to the other half of the world in 16 hours without some aircraft crashing at some point. You don’t even get to leave your miserable heap of sticks in your engineer-free hellworld to collect berries without someone occasionally getting pricked by a thorn and winding up with tetanus… or gangrene.
Pig-ignorant, ungrateful parasite.
Where do you go to buy ten billion dollars of liability insurance for a prospectve nuke plant? What was the premium for that last week? What will it be next Friday?
Engineers invented pecan pie, oral sex and fishing? Wow!
I was being kind of hyperbolic, but engineers developed stoves and ovens and worked out how to control fire, all of which you need for your pecan pie. Also showers, bathtubs, hot running clean water and the development of soap, without which oral sex becomes less attactive, at least to me. And fishing - absolutely! Unless you’re talking about tickling trout by hand, which you then eat raw.
I’ll give you “rock, paper, scissors” or “eye spy” as not needing engineers, if you like. Although “rock, paper, scissors” would have to be called “rock, leaf, fingers” or something…
I’m a lawyer. I sue engineers who make things that hurt people. Without lawyers, engineers would be even more dangerous. As much as I dislike lawyers, engineers are worse.
Firestone SUV tires? The fault of engineers. Pinto gas tanks. Engineers. Everybody ever killed by a machine gun? Engineers. Melting nuke plants. Engineers. Exploding nuke plants. Engineers. Things that are built that fail are all the fault of engineers. Humorless engineers. Building a nuke plant to withstand 7.5 or 8.5 doesn’t matter when your quake is 9.0. A lawyer would draft a law to make the plant withstand any earthquake without regard to how big the earthquake is, but an engineer doesn’t even bother to try to change the laws of physics. No, an engineer gets together with an accountant and they say: this is how strong we can afford to make it, you approve the budget and I’ll say it’s strong enough to withstand any foreseeable earthquake. After all, I can’t see an earthquake in the future, the future hasn’t happened. Now in the past the biggest earthquake in this area in the past 90 years was measured at X. We won’t have one bigger than X. Derp, derp, derp.
Dude, cavemen invented fire and barbarians did fine smelting it for bronze age weapons with controlled fire. I knew engineers were Dilbert like losers, but you have fought my ignorance: engineers are barbarians. Derp, derp, derp.
Murdered it. Murdered my poor little joke, beat it to death with a slide rule…
You’re a fucking idiot pig-ignorant piece of shit. Hope this helps.
You miss my point. An engineer isn’t a modern phenomenon. Not someone who has an “engineer” badge or an engineering degree or job title. Anyone who ever figured out how to make anything work and shared it with anyone else is doing engineering. The cavemen who worked out that whole business of the firebow and tinder and kindling and using dry wood were doing engineering. And yes, maybe someone then used fire as a weapon. Sorry. Or fires got out of control and burnt down the village. It’ll happen. Life has risk. Life has cost-benefit decisions.
You seem to want all the benefits without bearing any of the risk and then demonise a whole segment of society when things go wrong. Well they’ll continue to go wrong. Planes will crash and cars will smash and Nature will throw disasters at us, and we’ll deal with it because the alternative is to abandon technology and return to the trees.
He didn’t get it. He didn’t understand that you weren’t actually claiming that engineers hadn’t invented pecan pie or oral sex. Literal poster is literal. Of course engineers did dangerous oral sex: too much pressure has been known to blow pipe wide open and leave a mess everywhere.
So it doesn’t require a degree or license to be a dangerous engineer, any fool can use the laws of physics to maim and kill? What does the engineering degree do? Remove the ability mock stupidity? That can’t be it, I read Dilbert.
Sigh. Of course I did. But as well as elucidator making a joke, he was also making a point regarding my post and I was addressing it.
Are you implying that ALL engineers do is maim and kill? Or that’s even the majority of what they do? The whole world is sitting in the remains of their collapsed houses, not daring to drive their deathtrap cars on the unsafe roads with their rickety bridges?
This is a Der Trihs parody, right? [sub]…right?[/sub]
I hadn’t thought of it that way.
But no. It’s kinda a Jon Stewart’s The Daily Show meets SNL’s Weekend Update “Really?” At least that is the voice I’m going for in my head. I’ve been giggling like a moron for two days without any intoxicants. In my own mind I am really, really funny. But apparently not to others. I guess I’m a “fucking idiot pig-ignorant piece of shit” in the words of one of our wittier posters.
“In that case Winston, please be around today for tea.” Lady Astor
“The first thing we do is kill all the engineers.” Shakespeare, Titus Andronicus. Act III, Scene 2
I’m pretty sure that whenever you giggle, just like *whenever *you post, you do it like a moron would.
Fallout will certainly reach Hawaii and the West Coast, but not in quantities sufficient to cause any public health concerns. That will probably continue to be true even if things get much, much worse.
I’m getting really annoyed by media reports talking about “increases in radiation levels”, “twice normal levels”, etc., without any specifics. How much of an increase in actual numbers? How does the current level compare to safety standards? What are the half-lives of the isotopes involved? They’re giving out just enough information to confuse and scare people and then assuring them that “officials say things will be okay”. That isn’t helpful.
Haven’t seen any religious leaders comment on this. Paul Watson, on the other hand….