It’s being reported that Trump’s lawyer, Joe Tacopina, has represented Trump will surrender to the Court in Manhattan voluntarily, should he be indicted. That’s something, anyway.
Does that mean we get a perp walk, or no perp walk?
Yeah, he’s also going to release his taxes.
Never believe any promise Trump, or anyone speaking on his behalf, until something actually happens.
My best guess is it will be an abbreviated perp walk. Remember when Steve Bannon surrendered to the court for his arraignment on his contempt charge, and after the proceeding, he was escorted to be fingerprinted and have his pictures taken? As I recall, he was cuffed and carrying his jacket over the cuffs in front of him so they didn’t show.
Trump will probably be afforded the courtesy of no cuffs, but he’ll have to endure the walk down the corridor, the fingerprinting and the mug shots.
Oh, I never do. But I also know it will go so much worse for him if he makes the arraignment proceeding a circus by forcing an extradition from Florida. In this instance, I suspect he’s listening to his attorney.
The day that there is a Trump perp walk will never be. It should be, but it won’t.
(I retain the right to be wrong, because at heart, I’m an idealist.)
I’d like to see it, too.
But realistically: Though I believe the processes will be preserved, as any citizen who enjoys a presumption of innocence and as a former president whose office – if not his person – is entitled to a certain deference, he will be afforded courtesies not shown to most of us.
None of these prosecutors, either state or federal, are going to needlessly provoke Trump’s base by subjecting him to the indignities of a flashy perp walk with handcuffs.
After he’s convicted of a felony, it might be a different story.
He will never be face down in the street with a cop’s knee on the back of his neck, certainly. But his alleged crimes, I guess, don’t rise to the level of trying to pass a counterfeit twenty at a convenience store. God bless America.
I’m shocked by this, prevIosly mentioned, if true:
Why not fight extradition, putting DeSantis in a tough position?
This, from my last link, I find plausible:
No. But that’s a massive failing of this country with respect to systemic racism and has been for all our history.
As awful as it is, I don’t think it’s useful to make apples-to-apples comparisons. No former president would be treated otherwise. Including Obama.
Treating more people badly is not any kind of solution for injustice. Trump should be treated with a thorough presumption of Innocence. Arrest process should be a model of fairness. Then I will complain when others are treated worse.
I think I made that point.
Yes.
I agree with your last post.
Has he lawyered for Trump before?
I take your point. But one thing I think a lot of people miss about Trump is, when he’s absolutely cornered, he capitulates and just does what is necessary. Remember his Trump University settlement, e.g.
He was going to fight that down to the last crumb… until it was obvious he was going to have to go to trial and endure the very public reveal of his shitty business practices.
Trump has never been subjected to the criminal justice system until now. I think he’s shit scared of it.
New York is not well known for custodial kindnesses. Given a choice between putting law enforcement through hell to haul your sorry carcass into custody and inspiring their wrath while all the world watches the spectacle (Loser!), v. surrendering meekly and hoping for a good bail situation, I’m pretty sure I know which one Trump will choose.
My fervent hope is that the judge slaps the parties with a gag order.
What if he just stays in FL and says fuck off, come get me? What’s to be done then? I really wish one of the felonies were charged first. This misdemeanor charge will have even centrists thinking it’s a witch hunt. I’d rather this be tacked on later.
While we won’t know for certain until the indictment is unsealed, everything I’m hearing is that this going to be charged as a felony.
If he stays in Florida, New York will ask Florida law enforcement to execute a warrant and have him arrested. I’m not seeing Ron DeSantis fighting extradition on his behalf.
Extradition would delay arraignment in New York for a short while, but not that long. And Trump would be in custody the entire time that extradition was being litigated. Once brought to New York, he’d might be kept in custody as a potential flight risk, since he didn’t voluntarily appear for his arraignment.
The GOP is still Trumpy, so In order to get the nomination, he needs to be Trumpy.
That’s why he’s now come out for a 6 week abortion ban — even though the existing Florida 15 week limit would play much better in Nov. 2024.
And that’s why he’s throwing the Ukrainians under a whole lot of buses.
If he gives in to Alvin Bragg, he’ll be branded a RINO. Can’t have that.
Am I sure? No, I admit this post is a somewhat informed guess.
It would put Trump in a subordinate position to DeSantis. He’ll never allow that.
Being subordinate to DeSantis sounds better to me than jail. Then, I’m not DJT, and his lawyers might tell him that playing nice will lead to a suspended sentence.
Again, I’m not DJT, but if I was, I wouldn’t trust my lawyers. Don’t they make more money if the game starts being played in NY?
And you’re disregarding points earlier made in this discussion:
(Emphasis mine.)
I don’t even understand what you’re trying to say here. Not how the law works.
And all this is academic (and not even that, IMHO), since Trump’s lawyer has already affirmatively said Trump is not going to fight extradition and will surrender to the Manhattan court if an indictment falls. That really should be the end of it.