No, you won’t refresh jayjay’s memory; or no, we are not allowed to call people gullible and delusional outside the Pit?
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leading the battle for clarity in moderating.
Because those claims are all based on right wing fantasies and have no evidence.
I could quote him on things which show he’s not tough on Islamic extremism, dishonors Israel, and doesn’t believe in the exceptionalism of our nation, but there’s so many quotes already out there to do it with that y’all can find youself.
No, please, I could use some amusement this morning. Post your cites and explain them.
No you couldn’t, because they aren’t there.
I read that as, “I could support my arguments with citations and actual evidence, but I prefer that y’all take my word on it, instead.” Which is woefully inadequate.
Or, to put it another way
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…those claims are all based on right wing fantasies and have no evidence.
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Well, be fair guys, he’s complaining mostly about things Obama didn’t say. For instance, right wingers get really upset that Obama and other liberals don’t refer to “radical Islam” or call terrorism “Islamic terrorism,” because, y’know, clash of civilizations and all. They don’t like it that Obama is not explicitly calling America “the greatest country in the world.” (Well, he did call it “the greatest nation on earth,” but he didn’t really mean it, or something.) And worst of all, he’s never told white people, “That whole slavery/racism thing? Yeah, don’t worry about that. Water under the bridge, ammirite? It’s totally not-racist to be scared of black kids wearing hoodies.”
Does that mean he approves all of the things that Obama did say? 
As Colbert said about Bush:
No rational or patriotic person does.
Obama and American Exceptionalism: “I believe in American exceptionalism, just as I suspect that the Brits believe in British exceptionalism and the Greeks believe in Greek exceptionalism.” Umm, NO! American exceptionalism is that we freed the world from fascism and communism, not that we were a great society 3000 years ago, or that we took over and colonized an entire continent!
How about last winter, when Obama said about the fight against evil jihad: " What I’m not interested in doing is posing or pursuing some notion of American leadership"
How about when Obama and his guys said that Fort Hood was “workplace violence” instead of Islamic terror? (and yes, Obama’s DoD speaks for him)
He equated the need for a Jewish state and the impact of The Holocaust on Zionism to Palestinian refugees, even tho the refugees occurred because Israel conducted defensive war, saying "Around the world, the Jewish people were persecuted for centuries, and anti-Semitism in Europe culminated in an unprecedented Holocaust. Tomorrow, I will visit Buchenwald, which was part of a network of camps where Jews were enslaved, tortured, shot and gassed to death by the Third Reich. Six million Jews were killed – more than the entire Jewish population of Israel today…
On the other hand, it is also undeniable that the Palestinian people – Muslims and Christians – have suffered in pursuit of a homeland"NO THOSE ARE NOT COMPARABLE! The Palestinian population has increased since 1948 rapidly. The Jewish population in the world went down by 1/3 after the Holocaust, 2/3 in Europe, and overall is still smaller than in 1945.
I found this on American exceptionalism:
and this on Israel:
I won’t dignify the “radical Islam” charge by searching for a quote.
No, the Americans, British, Canadians, French Resistance, Australians, etc. defeated fascism. Communism more or less self-destructed.
You keep acting like you’re playing the Ace of Trumps when you mention this. Can you provide one benefit to the president saying the phrase “Islamic terror”? I can give you plenty of negatives- it makes working with friendly Muslim nations much harder and it reinforces the worldview that terrorists want to spread- that there is a global struggle of Islam vs. the West.
In other words, we can neglect the lack of a Palestinian homeland because we can point to the Holocaust?
This is why we brag about American exceptionalism? Not because we threw off the yoke of hereditary monarchy to institute a secular republican government? Not because we enshrined fundamental human rights into our constitution? So “American exceptionalism” is basically us bragging about the wars we’ve won?
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How about when Obama and his guys said that Fort Hood was “workplace violence” instead of Islamic terror? (and yes, Obama’s DoD speaks for him)
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Hey, thanks for making my point for me. 
But I don’t really see what’s divisive about this, except that it doesn’t slake the conservative jones for manichean, us-vs.-them rhetoric.
You really need to read your links.
This doesn’t conflict with what you say at all. You’re putting motives into his statement that have nothing to do with the words he used just because you don’t like him.
What’s the problem with this? Do you believe that the USA should be in charge of everything everywhere because of “some notion of American leadership”? Or should we pick and choose, like Obama suggests, which actions are most in our interest?
Again, this doesn’t conflict at all with anything regarding American exceptionalism. Perhaps it conflicts with the Cheney-Kristol idea that the US should be charging in, guns plazing, into every worldwide conflict, but that’s just a recipe for a weaker America.
Take this up with the UCMJ (Uniform Code of Military Justice, in case you didn’t serve like I did or are otherwise unfamiliar). Would you prefer that Obama and the DoD violate the UCMJ? I wouldn’t, though I’m certainly open to improving the UCMJ if it’s not flexible enough to handle terrorist attacks (though the result of the trial – death sentence – seems quite reasonable and just).
So, no, this has nothing to do with any of your criticism of Obama.
They’re not equivalent or comparable, and “on the other hand” doesn’t imply that they are – it’s simply a diplomatic way of both justifying and defending the existence of Israel as a Jewish state as well as saying that there are some reasonable concerns and complaints by Palestinian people about their circumstances and treatment.
None of these, in any way, fit your description of Obama. You just read bad motives into these statements because you don’t like Obama, even though other Presidents have said similar things. You completely and utterly fail at demonstrating that Obama doesn’t believe in American exceptionalism, or that Obama dishonors Israel in any way whatsoever.
I’ll ask again – why didn’t you call him Hussein this time? What’s the motivation behind your use of his middle name – why do you sometimes use it and sometimes not?
So why don’t you let the President continue his remarks. From your own cite,
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I believe in American exceptionalism, just as I suspect that the Brits believe in British exceptionalism and the Greeks believe in Greek exceptionalism. I’m enormously proud of my country and its role and history in the world. If you think about the site of this summit and what it means, I don’t think America should be embarrassed to see evidence of the sacrifices of our troops, the enormous amount of resources that were put into Europe postwar, and our leadership in crafting an Alliance that ultimately led to the unification of Europe. We should take great pride in that.
And if you think of our current situation, the United States remains the largest economy in the world. We have unmatched military capability. And I think that we have a core set of values that are enshrined in our Constitution, in our body of law, in our democratic practices, in our belief in free speech and equality, that, though imperfect, are exceptional.
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(My emphasis)
You were disingenuous with the first site. You didn’t even provide the second.
Jesus Christ on a cracker! From your own cite:
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“They really didn’t have an option,” says Silliman, director emeritus of Duke University’s Center on Law, Ethics and National Security in Durham, N.C. “He was an active-duty officer. The crime occurred on a military installation. … It was obvious he was going to face a court-martial.”
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You are so blinded by the horror of the Holocaust that you appear incapable of rational discussion on this subject. What the President was saying was, “The Israeli people have a right to be here. On the other had, so do these other people.” His “on the other hand” was not a reference to the horrors of the holocaust.
I can tell you. It’s a passive-aggressive dig at Obama, implying that he’s somehow in bed with terrorists. I suspect this is also the root of criticism against his not using ‘Islamic extremism.’
Naaaaah. Can’t be! Why, that would be a dog-whistle.
It’s more likely a mix of “You used Bush’s middle name - what’s the difference?” and “what’s the matter - did I hit a nerve?”
I’m not really sure what the over/under is at this point.
Using Bush’s middle name (well, the phonetic spelling of his middle initial) has a practical reason. There’s no justification for stressing Obama’s middle name other than to reinforce fantasies that he’s Islamic (which really isn’t a good justification).
I do wonder what they’re going to do when they no longer have Obama around to demonize. Nothing they say about Hillary has quite the same ring or resonance – Whitewater, Vince Foster, Benghazi, emailgate, it’s all so lame by comparison – they can’t say she’s foreign-born, they can’t say she’s a secret Muslim, and isn’t the Antichrist supposed to be a guy?