The Catholic church doctrine is governed by the words of Jesus, who rejected that Old Testament retribution and preached forgiveness:
Expressing personal and ethical support for birth control would assuage not only your’s and Dio’s views, but also the Catholic Church’s.
While I’m pretty much against abortion (not 100% - abortion in the case of rape, incest, or the imminent death of the mother should absolutely be allowed), I am completely - 100% - in support of birth control.
Whether that birth control is condoms, IUDs, vascectomies, or tubal ligations is irrelevant to me, and should be irrelevant to all. It is the painting of birth control as abortion that is disgusting.
So your ideas are creepy too. No decent person favors abortion.
Not if it’s aborted. If it’s aborted, there never was a person, and there can’t be a victim.
No decent person disputes a pregnant woman’s exclusive right to make the abortion decision.
I really hope more of my fellow liberals understand that Obama’s diplomatic approach to these issues only helps us. It is of course always a fine line, but this is one smart politician. Moves like this are gutsy, he shows his hand to the other side, and then he extends it in the most genuine of ways. It is very hard for anyone to walk away without at least respecting him, and getting the other side to like us first is half the battle.
Look at all the latest polls, they show that the country is just a split as ever on the issues, but the vast majority of people really genuinely like Obama as an individual. Some may chalk it up to a honeymoon period, but it’s getting a little late for that and I really think his personality is more to credit.
Now logic would have you believe that one should be far more concerned with a president’s actual political positions than some abstract likability factor, but keen political scientists such as yourself should know that’s not exactly how it plays out. How did Ronald Reagan win some of the biggest landslides in our history? It wasn’t because there weren’t any American liberals in the 80’s, it’s because we couldn’t help but like the dude.
It’s cool for all of us to sit on the sidelines and be all ideologically pure, but we finally have a strong liberal president who really knows how to play the game to get results. He plays it cool and smart and subtle. This speech today was wonderful.
I guess Jews/Blacks/Gays aren’t real people, either. So they aren’t victims, right?
Not if they were aborted in the fetal stage. What is your point?
That no decent person is “pro-abortion”.
Nevertheless, no decent person disputes a pregnant woman’s exclusive right to make the abortion decision. And, while economic conservatives sometimes have good arguments, religious/social conservatives deserve nothing but contempt and dismissal.
No decent person wants to force little girls to have rape babies. My position is based purely on compassion. I want to reduce human suffering. Forcing women (or children) to carry pregnancies against their will inflicts human suffering. Allowing them to terminate those pregnancies does not. Embryos can’t suffer.
By the way, when I say I thuink there should be more abortions, I’m not saying I want more unwanted pregnancies just for the sake of abortion, I’m saying that I wish a lot of women who carry pregnancies to term would terminate instead. I’m talking about women who carry pregnancies while poisoning their bodies with meth and crack and booze, then give birth to babies who are damaged from the chemicals, who suffer in agonizing pain from withdrawal, and who get treated like shit, neglected, abused, sometimes killed after they ARE born by their mothers," These are the same children who conservatives blow gaskets about when any suggestion is made that they should receive any public assistance or medical care.
Yeah, right, most abortions are about rape babies. :rolleyes:
It’s fun how you pretend to know something.
This chapter of the Catechismhas a special section on abortion which, unlike “regular” muder carries also excommunication, meaning no every priest can forgive it.
Out of step with their own Pope regarding abortion, yeah, right.
You meant Iraq? Please produce the official document condemning the war as inherently immoral and commanding catholics to resist it, as they should with abortion.
Caligula’s horse (who was never made a consul or a senator- that is legend) was named Incitatus. I think that would make a better user name, and that a typing horse would make more sense.
Of course they’re real people. Why wouldn’t they be? How do you get that out of anything I said?
If you’re talking about embryos and fetuses, then no, they’re not yet people.
This is as good a time as any to post the Trans Poly U Fight Song! 
(Which is to the same tune as Notre Dame’s.)
Troll. Period, end of sentence. Pro-abortion?
What difference if they are or are not?
No priest can forgive anything. Every Catholic knows that.
Regading their opinions of Obama.
Irrelevant, desperate handwaving. The Pope has condemned the Iraq war. The Pope is the spokesperson for the Church and for Christ. Are you saying the Pope is wrong?
It doesn’t make a difference. It’s EVIL any way you slice it.