Relevant MPSIMS thread. You’ll be amazed.
This “don’t deny it or you give the rumors credit” thing is nonsense. The rumors on the website already have credit. If you don’t refute them people are going to continue to believe them.
It’s the rumors that don’t have credit that you can avoid denying. Judging this is up to the politician, but sadly too many people believe Obama is a Muslim or a racist for the camp to do nothing about it.
I even believed the Swift Boat ad when it ran four years ago. I just didn’t think that people could lie so blatantly about something like that. I though the Republicans had genuinely caught Kerry in a lie. I realize the truth only after
Al Franken exposed it.
If I were someone who didn’t listen to Air America, then I don’t know if I would have heard anything about it.
If such a tape existed Karl Rove would shed about 20 pounds sprinting to every mainstream news station in America.
Last I checked he was still a fat turd. So we have nothing to worry about.
No? How about her America is downright mean statement
Mean to who? Black folks and other minorities of course.
Who’s mean? Other black folks? No … white folks of course.
The New Yorker article gives no context for that statement, but she was talking about poor and working class people, not race, and since that statement would be truthful with regards to racial minorites anyway, it wouldn’t be racist even if she had been talking about race (which she wasn’t).
You can’t find anything to point to in Michelle Obama’s background which even comes close to suggesting that she’s a racist, much less which could possibily lend any believability to an absurdist “whitey” rant.
Are you just making this up?
For context:
Where does it say she is talking about white people being mean to black people?
Duh, she’s black and unhappy about stuff. OF COURSE she’s talking about white people. In fact, I should check to see if my car is still parked outside.
Somebody’s been watching Hannity’s America.
I’m making no attempt to prove anything…just saying it isn’t a major stretch.
Speaking of smears… I heard that Obama isn’t too unhappy that gas prices are as high as they are.
Well, anybody can just say anything, can’t they?
Good comeback!
It was you who said there was “no believability” that Mrs. O could utter the word “whitey” wasn’t it?
In response to you saying it was believable. There is nothing in Michelle Obama’s past which makes that allegation credible.
But it is a major stretch. It’s as big of a stretch as someone accusing Dick Cheney of hunting children, simply because he hunts.
She but speaks the truth – you have a problem with that?
I’m a little bothered by the response to the “Obama is a Muslim” entry. It should be enough to categorically deny a blatant lie, but the fact is, in our current social climate, it strikes me as irresponsible to not append “…but it would be ok if he were!”. Obviously there are reasons why Obama’s campaign doesn’t want people thinking he’s a Muslim; I’m sure someone out there has claimed he is Amish, which is equally untrue, but the reason that it’s not on the website is that it’s irrelevant. The issue needs to be framed in terms of his opponent’s ignorance, rather than in terms of a judgement, and in using so few words the entry on the website seems closed-minded.
I’ve gotten the 50 Lies email about Obama twice in the past few days. However, while it’s almost exactly the same as before, it’s now called The 50 “Not Exactlies” [sic]. I’ve wondered if this is because Snopes (though I’m always surprised how many net surfers and even urban legend enthusiasts aren’t familiar with Snopes) and threads such as the one linked and blogs have taken on correcting the list, so that googling “obama’s 50 lies” brings up several such hits while googling “50 Not Exactlies” doesn’t bring up anything.
In either case, Snopes is now “on” the 50 Lies thing, which I’m glad of, and I hope somebody at Camp Obama links to it or reproduces it (with permission of course, which I think the Mikkelsons would gladly give in exchange for the credit) since that’s a particularly common one that I haven’t seen addressed on their site.
No reason to think that Mrs O ever uttered the “W” word but, I’d bet you wouldn’t be so skeptical if the same rumor was started that a conservative had uttered the “N” word . Even given the fact that the “N” word is the epitomy of evilness.
About America being so mean to the poor and downtrodden … I hope they run on that.
When conservatives focus on purported instances of liberal hypocrisy or simply inconsistency, it’s a clear sign that even they know they’ve run out of defensible rational arguments for their own positions. When they serve the purpose with mental contortions like the above, the sign has a big flashing light and bells hung on it.
And when a liberal simply announces that he has won an argument without being able to back it up, he has lost the argument.
Regards,
Shodan
I thought it was just conservatives who did stuff like that.
It depends on the individual, but as a mater of fact, I would be very skeptical about an allegation that any politician used the word in a public address, and I would be skeptical about many Republicans use it at all. For instance, I would not believe it if GWB or John McCain were accused of using it.