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But each has its place – reasoned debate in GD, yee-haw lynching parties here in the Pit. Enjoy! 
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But we’re better than this.
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic]
Tiny penises? I don’t know.
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Observation or assumption?
[QUOTE=Diogenes]
Of couse I think my opinion is correct. If I didn’t think it was correct, it wouldn’t be my opnion. I think that gun nuts make too big a deal out of the issue and that there are far more important things in life.
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I asked not if you thought you opinion was correct, (I’ll just go ahead and assume that to save time) but if you thougt yours was the only correct one.
Yes. He painted all the people in small town America with the same brush. He didn’t say “in this place, people are religious gun-toting xenophobes, and over here, people are crack-smoking, gun-toting homophobes” He only slipped in the first part. Again, true as you might think it is, it ain’t right.
[QUOTE=Sitnam]
But we’re better than this.
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Looks like we got one of them there elitists over here…
[QUOTE=Happy Lendervedder]
You do realize he was raised by his white mother, oftentimes in a predominately white school/community? And he had (has?) family in rural Kansas?
His observation of white rural Americans is as valid as mine would be.
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I have family in Bannockburn Scotland, that doesn’t mean my opinion about Scottish life has merit.
In Honolulu and Jakarta? :dubious: Maybe he learned about life in rural America during his stints at Columbia or Harvard.
Like it or not, he doesn’t know about life in rural PA. He just doesn’t and he never will, and that’s ok, he’s not from there. All he has to do is understand that when you throw peoples’ problems back in their faces, you can’t really expect them to vote for you.
[QUOTE=elucidator]
Looks like we got one of them there elitists over here…
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Why? Do you own a gun?
[QUOTE=John Mace]
You’re doing the same thing Obama is being accused of. Who said they were “steered along by conservatives”? You’re implying that these people are too simple minded to make the right choices-- the choices you prefer-- and it must be because someone on the right “steered” them towards that choice. Especially about something like religion. That’s gonna be really insulting to a lot of people.
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After electing GWB two times over, a lot people deserve it.
[QUOTE=Gangster Octopus]
After electing GWB two times over, a lot people deserve it.
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Elitist! 
[QUOTE=John Mace]
Elitist!
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I’m not elitist, I’m just smarter, wittier, richer, better looking and more reasonable than you, and everybody else for that matter.
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic]
There is zero chance that the supers will contravene the majority will of the voters, so I think this argument, while technicaly true, is without any practical merit.
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Like there was zero chance Hillary would run for president?
Work on your math skills.
[QUOTE=buttonjockey308]
I have family in Bannockburn Scotland, that doesn’t mean my opinion about Scottish life has merit.
In Honolulu and Jakarta? :dubious: Maybe he learned about life in rural America during his stints at Columbia or Harvard.
Like it or not, he doesn’t know about life in rural PA. He just doesn’t and he never will, and that’s ok, he’s not from there. All he has to do is understand that when you throw peoples’ problems back in their faces, you can’t really expect them to vote for you.
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You initially painted the picture that Obama could only speak of blacks in urban communities, but not whites, because he could only speak from experience. I’m arguing that he has spent time not only in urban black communities, but in white communities, in “white” households, as well as, as you pointed out, overseas. He does have first-hand observation of working-class white folk in both rural and suburban environments. His personal experience isn’t limited to “blacks in urban communities,” as you pointed out.
I’m sure your proud of your Scottish heritage, but I’m not sure what it has fuck all to do with this specific situation.
And you’re right, Obama doesn’t know specifically about life in rural PA, as most politicians don’t, but that doesn’t mean he isn’t familiar with their experience and struggles.
So explain why, again, Obama can only speak about “blacks in urban communities?”
[QUOTE=Gangster Octopus]
I’m not elitist, I’m just smarter, wittier, richer, better looking and more reasonable than you, and everybody else for that matter.
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More modest, too.
You forgot ‘morally superior’.
It’s kinda funny to hear Hillary throw the “elitist” label at Obama. Maybe she just thinks all fair in love and politics, since she got a lot of that back when Bill first ran for president. But she exudes an elitist attitude like few people I can think of, and that’s one reason so many people don’t like her, I think.
[QUOTE=Bricker]
Yes, for some on the right, anyway. Hypocrisy knows no political bounderies, sad to say. I can’t stand the feeding frenzy from some of the same folks that will defend slips of the tongue when they come from people they like.
This was, as I said above, simply a poor choice of words, not a statement of personal belief or of campaign direction or vision. Let it go.
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Your second paragraph explains your first.
When it’s someone I [hypothetical “I” here] agree with, it’s a mere slip of the tongue that means nothing.
When it’s someone I oppose, it’s an unintended revelatory statement that shows what (s)he REALLY thinks, but hides from everyone most of the time.
[QUOTE=Bricker]
Yes, for some on the right, anyway. Hypocrisy knows no political bounderies, sad to say. I can’t stand the feeding frenzy from some of the same folks that will defend slips of the tongue when they come from people they like.
This was, as I said above, simply a poor choice of words, not a statement of personal belief or of campaign direction or vision. Let it go.
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Your second paragraph explains your first.
When it’s someone I [hypothetical “I” here] agree with, it’s a mere slip of the tongue that means nothing.
When it’s someone I oppose, it’s an unintended revelatory statement that shows what (s)he REALLY thinks, but hides from everyone most of the time.
[QUOTE=stolichnaya]
More modest, too.
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You sound bitter. :dubious:
[QUOTE=RedFury]
You sound bitter. :dubious:
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Maybe Obama likes his voters the way he likes his coffee. No, wait, he’d rather have orange juice instead, the elitist bastard! 
Wait… didn’t he make the comment about clinging to guns just days before Charlton Heston died? Damn, the guy is prescient, too!!
Hilary has an ad out about the Obama comment already: Voters in Clinton Ad Strike at Obama - The New York Times
Also: “And in a late meeting with the editorial boards of the Philadelphia Inquirer and Daily News, Senator Obama acknowledged that he misspoke but said he didn’t lie” WTF is that supposed to mean?
[QUOTE=Hamlet]
Obama, however, is, in my estimation, inexperienced in having every single word he says ripped apart, taken out of context, or changed and broadcast to the masses. I think he naively thought it would be possible to talk HONESTLY about racial issues/gun control/religion/etc with America. But he’s learning now that it isn’t. The election is about pandering, not offending, and telling people what they want to hear. It’s an absolutely pathetic state of affairs and the hope I had a year ago that things had changed and that my country was ready for a new kind of election, has been seriously crippled.
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You want to paint this as a minor issue, people overreacting to an out-of-context sound bite. And it may be. I fully admit, not knowing the man better, that it was indeed a misspeak rather than an indication of his beliefs in the way people are interpreting them.
But I’m not the sort of person to engage in “gotcha ya!” politics around here. And if anything, I’m pro-Obama. But not for his politics - for the chance he legitimately might be a decent guy able to be president.
That said, I think the liberal/socialist/authoritarian type attitude that you will show the unwashed masses the right way because genius you knows what’s best for stupid them is a dangerous attitude for those with political power to hold. Most politicians do. But most politicians aren’t running running and receiving support on the idea of being different.
So this may not be simply a “gotcha ya!” sound bite created pretty much entirely by the media. This may be an issue of substance that gives us a glimpse into the sort of person Obama is. It also, as I said, may have simply legitimately have been a misunderstanding. But it’s an issue worthy of discussion, and not derisively being labelled as yet another media-created overreaction.
[QUOTE=BrainGlutton]
That’s just as likely to mean she’s afraid of her husband winning the presidency as afraid of him losing it. Maybe it’s just starting to sink in what being FLOTUS entails, especially for the first black woman in the position ever.
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Clearly the psychological toll of knowing about all the sniper fire she’ll have to dodge in her future as FLOTUS is dragging her down.