Obama, "The Messiah", "the Great One", "The Perfect Leader", and so on

[Euphonious_Polemic]

@Aji_de_Gallina

…and Stephen Colbert is relevant how? Did I bring him up?
…and the facts you have presented are? I said “gut” because it’s a simple feeling with no deep analysis. I’d be more than willing to change my mind. IT’s really not a big thing for me.

Colbert is relevant because of his parody of people like you who trust their “gut” rather than objective evidence.

@Aji_de_Gallina

But I stated my opinion and did not claim it as fact, only as opinion, I can’t see the problem.

Perhaps you should find a forum called “Great Opinions” or perhaps “Opinions From My Gut”. This forum is called Great Debates, and people are expected to provide facts and evidence to support a proposition.

[Aji_de_Gallina]

@The_Other_Jeffrey_Lebowski

1)vPlease show me where you clarified it as your opinion.
2) It is common practise here to quote a refutable point posited by another member;
3) I’m happy that you’re content with your own smugness.
4)Your third point was irrelevant, and I stand by that; instead of snidely deriding me, please explain how a Peruvian would vote has any relevance at all within this thread.

(my numbers)

1. When I said “gut”.
2. I know, apparently you missed the part where it was obvious I wasn’t trying to re-write string-theory physics, simply stating my opinion. Interesting that your nit-picking towards my opinion doesn’t apply to others. Might it be because they were praising Obama?
3. Poor you, you’re already down to petty insults, what’s next? Yo mama so fat?
4. In other countries politicians don’t use teleprompters and sing them would be considered a lack public-speaking ability. I’d made the point the Obama doesn’t speak so well without a prompter, hence the comment on Peru (my country). I was simply trying to draw from my experience and show what qualities I (personally, me, myself) consider relevant on a public speaker. reading someone else’s text is not high on my list. Since my public-speaking grading system is my own, I was trying to show where I came from.

@Euphonious_Polemic

1. Colbert is relevant because of his parody of people like you who trust their “gut” rather than objective evidence.
2. Perhaps you should find a forum called “Great Opinions” or perhaps “Opinions From My Gut”. This forum is called Great Debates, and people are expected to provide facts and evidence to support a proposition.

1)Sure, but you used him as a response to me, when I hadn’t mentioned him. THAT’S where the irrelevance hits.
2) Do you apply the same rigorous standards for eveyone or only for those who don’t support Obama? 'Cause there’s lots of opinions you haven’t chastised.

[Euphonious_Polemic]

@Aji_de_Gallina

2. Do you apply the same rigorous standards for eveyone or only for those who don’t support Obama? 'Cause there’s lots of opinions you haven’t chastised.

Just the most egregious ones, and I admit that I have not scoured this forum looking for examples. You may feel special if you like.

Obama is a bit too right-leaning for my taste, and has several flaws - not able to speak without a teleprompter is not one of them though. FTR, I didn’t vote for him either.

[The_Other_Jeffrey_Lebowski]

@Aji_de_Gallina

(my numbers)

1. When I said “gut”.
2. I know, apparently you missed the part where it was obvious I wasn’t trying to re-write string-theory physics, simply stating my opinion. Interesting that your nit-picking towards my opinion doesn’t apply to others. Might it be because they were praising Obama?
3. Poor you, you’re already down to petty insults, what’s next? Yo mama so fat?
4. In other countries politicians don’t use teleprompters and sing them would be considered a lack public-speaking ability. I’d made the point the Obama doesn’t speak so well without a prompter, hence the comment on Peru (my country). I was simply trying to draw from my experience and show what qualities I (personally, me, myself) consider relevant on a public speaker. reading someone else’s text is not high on my list. Since my public-speaking grading system is my own, I was trying to show where I came from.

I’ll concede the first point.
The second point had to do with your statement that you didn’t see very much of our former President, which led me to believe that you might not be fully capable of offering an informed opinion, thereby weakening your first statement. Call it nit picking if you like, so be it; that’s what happens in a debate, no?
I apologize if you felt that I insulted you by calling you out on your smugness. How would you have described it? In just about every single thread in this message board, people employ the quote feature, if for no other reason than to distinguish which post one is responding to, as there are often multiple conversations simultaneously occuring. Yet when I did it, you mocked me for the quoting; and then you condescendingly derided me about the relevance of your post. What’s the deal, you can dish it out, but can’t take it? It was you that started the petty behavior here, not me.
Again, how pols orate in other countries is NOT germane to the matter at hand, making your point moot, irrelevant to this discussion; perhaps you can start a new thread comparing oratory styles.

[Aji_de_Gallina]

@The_Other_Jeffrey_Lebowski

I’ll concede the first point.
The second point had to do with your statement that you didn’t see very much of our former President, which led me to believe that you might not be fully capable of offering an informed opinion, thereby weakening your first statement. Call it nit picking if you like, so be it; that’s what happens in a debate, no?
I apologize if you felt that I insulted you by calling you out on your smugness. How would you have described it? In just about every single thread in this message board, people employ the quote feature, if for no other reason than to distinguish which post one is responding to, as there are often multiple conversations simultaneously occuring. Yet when I did it, you mocked me for the quoting; and then you condescendingly derided me about the relevance of your post. What’s the deal, you can dish it out, but can’t take it? It was you that started the petty behavior here, not me.
Again, how pols orate in other countries is NOT germane to the matter at hand, making your point moot, irrelevant to this discussion; perhaps you can start a new thread comparing oratory styles.

I’ll concede that my sample may be too small to form a really good opinion and also that, to me, Bush’s southern accent is more man-on-the-street-sounding than Obama’s more polished enunciation.
Re: smug. I dunno who started it. If I was I’m sorry if you were it’s no longer important.
Re: other countries. I like the idea but I’ll stop it here and possibly open a thread.

[BigT]

@The_Flying_Dutchman

So which is it. Is Obama the anti-christ or the beast ?

The antichrist is the beast in most fundamentalist interpretations of Revelation. The “or” in his statement was telling you that either term would work, not giving a choice between the two.

Or was that a whoosh?

[The_Other_Jeffrey_Lebowski]

Thanks, Aji. By the way, I am pretty liberal, and I will acknowledge that there is Obama worship, but it sure ain’t coming from anyone on these boards. When JFK was President, if you walked into any Irish Catholic home in the northeast United States, chances were pretty good that there would be 2 pictures on the wall, side by side - the Pope, and Kennedy. I think that it should be accepted as completely normal for a significant portion of Black America to have a reverence for him that borders on worship; how could they not? There’s also the age thing. The generation after the Baby Boomers have been marginalized and overshadowed for its entire existence. For those of us in this age group, he represents a sea change.
Our former POTUS does have a talent for joking around, banter, man on the street stuff, I’ll acknowledge that. However, to me, it comes off too much like a frat boy, and it’s particularly odd considering that he attended a highly prestigious prep school in Massachusetts, then studied at Yale and Harvard - it seems manufactured and manipulative.

[elucidator]

Oh, hell, I take that for pretty genuine. Its when he tried to do his “good ol’ boy from Crawford” crap that made me want to hurl. “Born in Midland, Texas, a hard-scrabble gated community…”

[The_Flying_Dutchman]

@BigT

The antichrist is the beast in most fundamentalist interpretations of Revelation. The “or” in his statement was telling you that either term would work, not giving a choice between the two.

Or was that a whoosh?

No. the beast has seven heads. The antichrist has only one.

[gonzomax]

@Aji_de_Gallina

I’ll concede that my sample may be too small to form a really good opinion and also that, to me, Bush’s southern accent is more man-on-the-street-sounding than Obama’s more polished enunciation.
Re: smug. I dunno who started it. If I was I’m sorry if you were it’s no longer important.
Re: other countries. I like the idea but I’ll stop it here and possibly open a thread.

Bush was the kind of public speaker who had the audience holding their breath waiting for him to say something stupid. He was very cringeworthy.
http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=Bush+fool+me+onces&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=OZDLSvveI5HeMeyP7cYD&sa=X&oi=video_result_group&ct=title&resnum=1#
Yep, he was a great speaker and spoke so very well.

[Aji_de_Gallina]

@gonzomax

Bush was the kind of public speaker who had the audience holding their breath waiting for him to say something stupid. He was very cringeworthy.
http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=Bush+fool+me+onces&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=OZDLSvveI5HeMeyP7cYD&sa=X&oi=video_result_group&ct=title&resnum=1#
Yep, he was a great speaker and spoke so very well.

Yep, I never said any of that.

[gonzomax]

@Aji_de_Gallina

Yep, I never said any of that.

You think that defines a better man in the street speaker? You insult the man in the street. He was a verbal stumblebum that even the masses were embarrassed by.

[furt]

@Aji_de_Gallina

So, unless it’s *Obama teh r0xx0r and Bush teh suxx0r *there’s nothing else we can say about the president of the US.

Pretty much.

[elfkin477]

@gonzomax

40 Classic Bushisms and Gaffes The were called Bushisms. Go online and see hundreds of embarrassing remarks by president dingbat. He was terrible .

Bush admittedly didn’t have a way with words. But he never thanked himself for being somewhere, or forgot how many states we have in this country.

[Leaper]

@elfkin477

But he never thanked himself for being somewhere

IIRC, that was a joke, poking light fun at the previous speaker who made a similar error.

[Lightnin]

@elfkin477

Bush admittedly didn’t have a way with words. But he never thanked himself for being somewhere, or forgot how many states we have in this country.

Nucular.

There’s a world of difference between a misstatement and eight freakin’ years of never learning how to pronounce one of the most important words in a President’s vocabulary even when it’s been pointed out over and over.

[JThunder]

I once met a nuclear engineer with a Ph.D. who still had a habit of saying “nucular.” It’s an annoyance, but I wouldn’t take that as a reflection of anything in particular.

[E-Sabbath]

Jimmy Carter, as I recall, tended to pronounce it the same way.

[Mr.Moto]

@E-Sabbath

Jimmy Carter, as I recall, tended to pronounce it the same way.

Right. And lets remember that he had nuclear training - he worked with Rickover himself. And while the man has considerable faults (I could give you a long list) he wasn’t what we would call dumb.

Eisenhower and Clinton also would slip into this pronunciation at least occasionally. At this point I think we should just accept it as a regional variant and stop making a big political deal about it.

[gonzomax]

No one makes a big deal. it is just one of many examples of his vocal stumbling. if it were the only one it would have been thought of as a personal peculiarity, but there are so many others . There are many web sites with his spoonerisms and misuses.