Obama's "New" Counterterrorism Strategy

Yesterday, June 29, Obama released his new counterterrorism strategy (it really just formalizes the approach that’s been used the last two+ years). An extremely brief overview of it is: attack Al Qaeda (and affiliates) where they are found under the laws of war (i.e., kill as a measure of first resort) without resorting to big (Iraq/Afghanistan) engagements.

The strategy was laid out by Obama’s counterterrorism chief John O. Brennan. Here’s theentire boring speech in full.

Here’s some quotes a Washington Post article had:

AnotherLA Times article on same subject:

Agree, disagree? It presumes a “war” with Al Qaeda. Is that view just accepted now? If not, would it hinder your vote towards Obama’s re-election? Further, with the whole detainee mess, does this policy encourage killing enemies, instead of trying to capture them (e.g. outside Iraq/Afghanistan, some captured detainees are now literally kept on US ships because no country will accept them and their baggage, US included). Ships are not a long term solution, but Guantanamo, the most logical detention place, is pretty politically off limits.

I actually agree with a “war” on terrorists, in general. I believe it’s effective and lawful. I do find many disagreements on captured terrorists and whether having a proper place to detain them actually encourages just using drones to kill (drones more susceptible to collateral damage than a SEAL raid for instance).

I agree unless the terrorists are likely to provide information we should focus on killing them (as in a war) rather than arresting them.

The Washington Post* is vague and inaccurate. From The New York Times:

Of course, the President’s counterterrorism adviser would give a 35 minute speech on a 19-page document. For comparison, the President’s speech was 13 minutes. :smiley:

Of course I used the Bush reference as a hook for the OP. It’s not inaccurate though. Here’s the full quote:

(emphasis added)

And it does not replace the core counter-terrorism paradigm goals Bush had, such as: (1) A war against a terrorist organization. (2) Killing them wherever found. (3) Indefinite detentions. (4) Trial by Military Commission. Same. Same. Same. Same.

What I’m getting from WP is: The President’s goals. The George W. Bush administration’s goals. Same. Same.

What I’m getting from NYT is: National Strategy for Counterterrorism. 2006. 2011. Same. Different.

And now the quote by John O. Brennan, the President’s counterterrorism adviser, in full context:

They are not new because they were in the 2006 National Strategy for Counterterrorism. They track closely with the goals of the George W. Bush administration because the Obama administration achieved some of those goals, killing bin Laden, drawing down the troops in Afghanistan. So that’s what Brennan means by “strategy”. Then he states it “neither represents a wholesale overhaul—nor a wholesale retention—of previous policies”.

**Obama’s “New” Counterterrorism Strategy **
Yes.

Obama’s “New” Counterterrorism Goals
No.

Make that -

Obama’s “New” Counterterrorism Strategy
No.

Obama’s New Counterterrorism Goals
No.

:smiley:

One way in which the strategy has changed is the increased use of drones. See here (drone strikes in Pakistan):

(emphasis added)

While I don’t have a problem with drones strikes per se, I do question who carries them out. DoD or CIA. The strikes in Afghanistan and Iraq are done by the military. The ones in Yemen and Somalia are done by the CIA. It matters because the CIA is not part of the “armed forces of the United States” as that term is used by the War Powers Resolution (e.g., Navy, Air Force, Army, Marines - anything under the DoD). The WPR only requires reports to Congress when the armed forces of the United States are introduced into hostilities. So no WPR trigger meaning you can bomb with CIA drones indefinitely. Also, I have no idea how the CIA is trained in the laws of war (do JAGS train them?) And do they feel they are constrained by them - is it even legal under the laws of war to do this? (they are not part of are armed forces, and that likely makes them unlawful combatants, so is the act of killing illegal under the laws of war?)

So yea, the goal of killin’ al Qaeda terrorists is the same, the strategy of how to make them dead is different.

Goal: Get rid of terrorism. Well, I don’t think very many people on either side of the aisle would disagree with that one. It’s the methods for achieving that goal which are really the subject of debate.

I like Obama’s strategy of killing the guy that planned the 9/11 attacks.

If I become Supreme Leader, I promise to promote serenity and defeat the anxiety-inducers. zikzik*zik

Here’s a recent Washington Post article about the use of drones: “Assassination by Robot: Are We Justified?

I don’t really agree with it, but it’s an opinion many share. It’s not so much the drone that’s the problem, but the legal justification to kill as a measure of first resort that should be troubling.

Drones aren’t robots (at least, most of them aren’t: There might be a few that are, in limited applications). Drones have human controllers somewhere, and it’s ultimately the human who decides whether to take the shot.

As for “surgical strikes”, the analogy obviously spans multiple scales. Many surgeries are, in fact, designed to kill. Kill a tumor, and you can save the body that’s hosting it. The idea, of course, behind surgical strikes is that by killing a few precisely-defined targets, you can save the nation that hosts them.

Now this is interesting, Obama will try a terrorist suspect with ties to Al Qaeda in a civilian court in New York. See NY Times article here - U.S. to Prosecute a Somali Suspect in Civilian Court:

Obama is able to bring him to the States for trial because he bypassed holding him at Guantanamo. Plus, I like the idea of the military and police working together. Any problems with indefinitely detaining a combatant under the laws of war and questioning for intelligence reasons, and then turning him over to police for questioning related to charging him with crimes?