Obrez: Mosin Nagant Pistol Conversion

“When you need to put a fist sized hole in someone from <10ft and set their clothes on fire at the same time, accept no substitute.”

Holy Crap! Check out posts 15 and 16! Completely useless… but I do have a Mosin Nagant with a fubared stock laying around! :wink:

http://www.gunandgame.com/forums/mosin-nagant/32360-mosin-nagant-pistol-obrez.html

I think this might do better in the Game Room.

Well I see they addressed the why question on the other board already. Reminds me of orc weapons from Warhammer 40K.

Really? This is about a real gun, not a video game gun.

Anyway, that is the craziest thing I’ve ever witnessed someone trying to do, and that includes the “pirate pistol” sawed off shotgun I’ve seen. There’s really no practical reason to make something like that.

If you do that, I think you are supposed to have the $200 Short Barrel Rifle stamp. Maybe if you chop the stock first you are OK. The ATF doesn’t write tickets.

Nope - If it’s a shortened rifle, it doesn’t matter which end you chop first, you need the SBR stamp.

Not that I was seroius about doing this anyway - the rifle kicks hard enough without cutting 6lb of wood and metal off of it!

I know this thread is about a pistol, but hunting is a sport and I figured the largest number of posters interested in guns would be over here.

If you want a short Russian (and can’t find a bride on the websites) This is the way to go.

http://aa-ok.com/krinkov545.jpg

While the M-N makes a fine hunting rifle, I don’t think this thing would be useful for hunting anything other than zombies. I love my M1944 Carbine, and it’s got a kick like a mule: I can’t imagine trying to keep it steady without a shoulder brace.

Historically, obrez shooters pulled the bullets from 7.62 x 54 R cartridges and removed some of the powder before putting the cartridges back together for use. It’s a simple enough process. Alternatively, if you are into reloading, you can quite easily cook up a reduced charge load of your own.
In use, the obrez was a very close range weapon. I believe I’d prefer a TT-33 pistol or even a Nagant revolver over an obrez, but if all I had was the obrez I’d feel pretty far from unarmed.

How reduced are we talking about?

We’re talking about dumping half of the powder charge. The obrez wasn’t the most fun-to-fire piece ever, and a substantial reduction in powder charge is necessary to keep it from flying out of your grasp when triggered. Even a half-charge 7.62 x 54 cartridge is more than stout enough to put a hole clear through somebody (along lots of powder burns) at typical obrez ranges.
FWIW, my wife’s family (native Ukranians) find the obrez fascinating as a “gangster gun” much the same way people used to think of the Tommy gun here in the US.

That makes a lot more sense. I was wondering how they kept from whacking themselves in the forehead with it.

Thanks for the info.

Interesting trivia: Obrez is apparently a generic term. Further conversation with my wife and her family indicates that any cut down long gun is termed an obrez, not just a shortened Mosin Nagant. She showed me a video on an Eastern European youtube type of site that was called (rough translation) “shooting an obrez.” It was a couple 20-something guys fooling around with a sawed-off double barrel shotgun. It looked like it was probably a 12 gauge.

Obrež is a village in Serbia according to Google, perhaps “Obrez” as a term for a weapon is along the lines of a “Chicago Typewriter”, a joking colloquial term for a fearsome weapon.

Not true on the kick, it substantially reduces recoil when you saw the barrel off close.

Also you can make a title 1 firearm (non NFA) by de-milling (per BATFE spec) and then re-welding the receiver.

They are a surprising amount of fun.