Obvious things about a creative work you realize after the millionth time (OPEN SPOILERS POSSIBLE)

My apologies. I thought you were claiming that “rarebit” was the older term. If that’s not what you’re claiming, just forget it.

They were the same thing before 1725 maybe. Nowadays, one is a dish made with toasted cheese, the other is a hopping mammal.

It appears to me from this chart that both terms are still used:

It happens a lot. Charles Manson was just saying, “So that’s what “Helter Skelter” means! I feel kind of silly now.”

I must disagree. In the late 1960s, the term “superstar” was in common use among sports fans and sports media, as a term that applied to just a few players at the top of a sport. Mays and Mantle were superstars, for instance.

Maybe J.C. Superstar caused the term to break out into general use rather than referring almost exclusively to sports stars (I’m pretty sure it did, actually), but it was already a commonplace term before J.C. Superstar was released.

John Lennon used the word in “Instant Karma” well before the release of Jesus Christ Superstar.

I’ve found “superstar” in the stage musical A Connecticut Yankee(1927) and not referring to sports stars.

Also, here’s a reference in a 1914 novel.

I’m sure I remember the term before the release of Jesus Christ Superstar. Wikipedia lists the first mention of the word as about 100 years ago and then by Andy Warhol with using it in the 1960s. The entry does seem to credit JC Superstar with popularizing the word, but I thought the title of the play and film was meant as a riff on a word that had just already recently gained widespread popularity.

George Harrison did the same thing on his 1970 album, All Things Must Pass. It seems to have been a thing for awhile back then.

You were right, it WAS ‘lives.’

I’ve still got the inner sleeve from the copy of Godspell I bought in 1972, which has all the lyrics (and this discussion made me dig it out from deep in a closet!), and it says ‘lives.’ Psalm 137 (which is otherwise the source of the lyrics for “On the Willows”) says ‘lyres,’ though, and I agree that makes more sense.

OK, here’s mine: I bought Neil Young’s Harvest album back in 1972, and have played it frequently over the years. But decades went by before I noticed the extremely obvious meaning of the couplet in the refrain of the title song:

*Dream up, dream up, let me fill your cup
with the promise of a man. *

:smack:

Nice job with the research! Sounds like, perhaps, the person who prepared the inner LP sleeve messed up. It’s odd they would be typing it out while listening to the music, rather than just be given the “book” (that’s Broadway for “screenplay”), but pending further information, it seems the likeliest explanation.

The term, with that approximate meaning, was in regular use when I was in high school. I can attest for certain that back in 1971-72, a lid was more than a dime bag, and less than an ounce. (I didn’t buy dope, and only occasionally smoked when it was offered, but I hung around with plenty of people who smoked more regularly.)

OK, I just listened to the CD on headphones. The word comes up 3 times in the song - once about 15 seconds in, another at ~48 seconds, and the other is the last word in the fadeout at the end. And damn, it’s hard to tell what the vocalist is singing, but after several listens, I’m coming down on ‘lyres.’ But it’s so hard to tell, that of course if you read the lyrics off the innersleeve, you’d think it was ‘lives’ because it wasn’t clearly not ‘lives.’

The only one that’s clearly ‘lyres’ even now is the one at the 0:48 mark. I’d still say the one at the 0:15 mark, while not clear either way, sounds kinda like there’s a ‘v’ consonant, and damned if I can tell anything from the one in the fadeout - I’m not sure the vocalist hit that consonant at all as he stretches out that last syllable.

But given that the only instance I’m sure of is clearly ‘lyres’ if you listen closely enough, I’ve got to assume ‘lyres’ was intended throughout, and the inner sleeve has it wrong.

Especially given that the Psalm says ‘lyres’ and the change would have made no sense.

I’ve been watching Adam West’s Batman four times a week at midnight lately. I haven’t seen this show in years, but I remember virtually every detail of each episode. Twice now, I’ve had incredible “Aha, I know that actress, but where the hell from?” moments.

The first one was this babe:

The second was this one:

http://www.bat-mania.co.uk/guides/images/molls/moth.png

Here is the first again in a movie you might recognize:

https://yuq.me/users/22/485/ApGc8gfRLw.png

Cool Hand Luke

Here is the second in one of my favorite episodes of one of my favorite shows:

Columbo, “Forgotten Lady”

I’m sure they were in many other things as well, but these are two I recognized them from.

In the 80’s Thundercats cartoon Panthro was obviously black. But just today I thought of it, Black Panther.:smack:

I just realized for the first time in 45 years that the planet-killer in “The Doomsday Machine” had that weird shape because that episode was Star Trek’s version of Moby Dick. It was supposed to look like a huge white whale! :smack:

In an extended-universe TNG novel, it was revealed that the planet-killer thing was the last-ditch effort of some planet to destroy the Borg. The crew of the Enterprise re-analzyed the data, backtracked where the object had come from (they found a dead planet there), and determined that the object’s path would have eventually taken it to the same sector of the galaxy where they first encountered the Borg.

During those years, when I did buy dope regularly, a lid was an ounce. Period. $40 for the best, if I remember correctly. Acapulto Gold? Maui Wowie?

Huh. A deflating interpretation to the tragedy, I think, but ok. But the “unintentional” part gets it a buzzer ruling from the judges to OP.