Guess that’s as good a reason as any to use their heads as baseballs.
Getting really ugly out there tonight.
BTW Scylla, here’s an extended cut of the video you were discussing upthread – feel to pick-up where you left your narrative…
Police Brutality?
Peace.
Yeah, that’s what this is all about.
Five people looking, for every one opening.
I suppose one could move hundreds of miles from home to be seasonal labor on a farm, and then seasonal labor on another farm a few hundred miles from the first, and so forth. Because seasonal farm labor is really the only kind of job going begging for applicants right now.
Yeah, that’s the solution to unemployment: people becoming migrant workers. The American Dream in action.
If you’re not getting crucified while your fingers and toes get fed into a blender, you don’t know what suffering is. Or something like that. Anyway, at least we’ve got Scylla to be the ultimate arbiter of how much suffering is enough to be called ‘real’ suffering.
It’s funny how all the calls for going lean and mean, and adjusting our expectations, seem to apply to the bottom 99%, and never to the top 1%. Doesn’t matter if it comes from an op-ed page or from Scylla.
My little nightstick’s going to get a workout tonight
Hopefully, he was talking about his wiener.
Looke like the same video to me. Started and ended the same point, too.
I’d already eluded that the pepper spray was both gratuitous and uncalled for. Nothing from e other videos which appear o be taken prior to he other change that.
He might have been planning a lot of twirling. :dubious:
So, Are you short, slightly built, glasses, beard, curly black hair, pale?
Like camping, long walks?
Is there an organization that actually works against corruption?
hell, I see is the corrupt, corrupting those who are not yet corrupt. Until it has gotten to where Bank employees and attorneys have been granted the right to forge documents in order to enforce a contract.
It is absolutely corrupt. let’s let all the forgers out of prison.
And I guess the rest of yall don’t know anyone who has lost their job, been unable to find one that will fill the needs of the family, only to end up losing their home. All the while, the govt. bailing out banks, instead of caring what is happening to the citizens.
We have no shortage of solid policy ideas. What we lack is a movement behind them.
This is a shortage-of-aggregate-demand problem. There are no complicated tradeoffs here. Getting out of a bad recession is conceptually simpler than fixing healthcare or even invading Iraq.
This is about the only part I agree with, at least insofar as upper income countries are concerned.
If we are unlucky, global climactic change might be a serious problem. But it’s probably manageable. Probably.
Not really. There’s a sclerotic oligarchy of incompetents running both shows: highly paid investment bankers designed profitable special instruments grounded on myopia and ludicrous assumption. Unfortunately they took the whole house of cards down with them.
The problem is unemployment north of 9%, along with an oligarchical financial sector who drove the economy into the ground and commenced whining even after they were bailed out. I’d say these leftish chowderheads have a better grasp of these fundamentals than you do.
Cite! Financial Crisis for Beginners – The Baseline Scenario
Cite! Untitled
Cite! Simon Johnson: The Quiet Coup - The Atlantic
Nah, must’ve been someone else who answered your personal.
They are supposed to be heading from lower Manhattan to Jersey City today, and I’m sure a lot of them will get on the wrong PATH train and wind up bound for Hoboken. So I hope to encounter a few on my way home tonight and I will ask them to please tell me *specifically *what their goals and aims and grievances are, so I can finally make up my mind whether I am fer ‘em or agin’ 'em.
Then I will suggest they go home and watch that PBS series on Prohibition and take to heart the importance of having a clear, narrow aim and not getting sidelined by side issues.
The lack of specificity is either a feature or a bug. Seems to me, it is an effort to be inclusive, to create as broad a coalition as possible. This may be foolish, it may not. I dunno. What I do now is that tomorrow, one more time, I will go to be where I’d rather not, to hear what I already know, for no other purpose but to be there. Because the ghost of Tom Paine glares balefully down the centuries. “I gave everything I had, punk. What are you gonna do?”
OK, OK, I’m going, already! But I swear, if I have to listen to another dollar store Maya Angelou wannabe, I’m getting severely drunk tomorrow night.
A broad coalition to accomplish what? To put what complaints and goals out there? That is exactly why they are never going to accomplish a damn thing till they get their act together and come up with a narrow, clear, cohesive message.
Then don’t join them. Sit quietly on the sideline, and if one gets close enough, perhaps you can scold them for their failure to reach you.
Except they already have accomplished something.
Just getting issues of economic justice and injustice back into the discussion is a big first step. If nobody was talking about it, everybody could ignore it.
Where it goes from here, I don’t know. But they’ve accomplished Step 1, which is more than anyone else has on this issue over the past year or two.
As Krugman said today:
There are plenty of specific demands, you just aren’t listening. Have you seriously not heard an occupy wallstreet person say “End corporate personhood”?
There is a LOT to be mad about if you are in the bottom 99%, since the empowered have been screwing over regular people for decades using a variety of techniques. I’m wondering why you think they don’t have specific complaints and goals just because all of them don’t fit on a bumpersticker.
I’m surprised overall the SDMB doesn’t support the movement.
I just think it’s a shame to see so many obviously earnest, concerned, active people totally wasting their time and energy by not having a coherent message or goal.
Sure.
But what does that mean? Specifically, please.
Does it mean disallow the existence of corporations?
Well, that’s the point. Too many demands.
Perhaps because most of us aren’t confused by catchy sloganeering. “End Corporate Personhood” = “Destroy the Modern Economy and return us to the Middle Ages”.
It’s one thing to open a dialog about what rights and privileges corporations (and unions, and clubs, and non-profit organizations like the Sierra Club, btw) should have, but “end” is so absurd as to merit rejection out of hand.
The Endgame of Occupy Wall Street Is Critical Mass
Hope that helps.