Of realestate and mortgages and home purchases.

For reasons far too long and complicated to explain, I’ve never owned a house nor have I ever really felt the compelling urge to do so. Not in any practical sense anyway. Strangely enough, I’ve always know the kind of house I’d like to have if only I’d ever find the place I’d like to settle down in.

Well, I haven’t found that place but circumstances in life dictate that I’m stuck here for the forseeable future and as long as that remains true, I may as well give this home ownership thing some serious consideration.

Not looking for anything palacial. Three bedrooms, two bath will do it. I’m looking for something in the arts & crafts tradition with a two car garage and central air and heat. Whatever else may need improving or remodelling, I can handle. I’m pretty handy. Obviously, the less major reconstruction needed the better but I can do most masonry, tile, wood and drywall/painting work. In fact I enjoy it. I leave plumbing and electrical stuff to the experts.

Given some recent employment and financial setbacks, I’m not exactly flush with cash. That’s the bad news. The good news is that I’m debt free and have secured a very healthy income that I believe will remain dependable with good growth potential.

But this is not what it’s about… It’s about taking the first steps and learning about mortgages and anything else a first time home buyer (in N.Va) should be aware of. Edumacate me. Please.

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Having done this in DC in the last couple of months. I can give you some advice. Home prices are very expensive at least in DC proper, Arlington and Alexandria. With regards to the mortgage, I would talk out the various options with your lender. If your credit score is good, you should be able to get a good loan. If you have enough money to give a twenty percent down payment, you’ll have no trouble finding a good loan.

What area are you looking at in particular?

I’ve got my sights set on a suburb known for it’s reasonable housing prices. McLean/Tysons/Vienna area. :rolleyes:

Yeah, I know. Don’t say it. I’m out of my mind.

But since this is where I now live, work and this is where my kids live and go to school, it makes the most sense. I figure that what I overpay in housing costs will be offset by a minimal commute. Right now I can walk to my office.

Down payment… I can’t put together 20%. Even 5% may be a real stretch in the next 12 months given the house prices.

I’ve also been considering looking into foreclosed properties. How does that work?

I am not a realtor, mortgage broker, or loan officer. However, I did recently buy my first house. Feel free to liberally sprinkle the following with “I think”, “as I remember”, or “in my understanding”.

Fixed rate mortgage, aka a “traditional mortgage”. The interest rate you get with this will never change, so your first monthly payment will be identical to your last (barring rounding adjustments). These are usually 30 year, although 15 (and maybe even 10) are also available.

Adjustable rate mortgage, or ARM. The interest rate will change over the course of the loan. Different banks use different “indices” to adjust the rate, some with sharp changes and some with more gradual ones. These may also have a “lock” period for a period of time before the rate is changed for the first time. They generally have a lower interest rate than fixed-rate mortgages, because the bank is hedging on the rate increasing in the future. If you’re wanting to keep the house for an extended period of time (more than 5 years or so), this probably isn’t as good a deal as a fixed rate. Interest rates are probably “bottomed out”, so the rate can only go up if it’s adjustable. (again, I’m not a loan officer, economist, or bank employee, so take this as a WAG).

Interest-only loans. AFAIK, these are only features of ARMs. Basically, the monthly bill you get only requires you to pay the amount of interest accrued over the past month. You’re paying slightly less, but the amount of principle (what you owe the bank) never goes down unless you overpay.

Negative amortization. I commonly hear radio ads for something like “1.5% interest mortgages”. With offers like that, why should you get a fixed-rate at 5.5 or 6.0%? Well, I never really dug into the details, but I strongly suspect that the bill you get only requires a payment covering 1.5% interest (along the lines of an interest-only loan), but the amount owed still grows at 5.5 or 6.0% interest. So while you’re paying much less to the bank per month, your debt is growing instead of decreasing. This might be something useful for people with variable income (say a contractor who pays down the principle when they have work, and pay the minimum when they’re between jobs) or a refinance option for someone who needs some time to get back on their feet after a financial setback, but probably wouldn’t be the best choice for someone on a dependable regular salary.

Mortgage Insurance. Banks want some assurance that a chunk of the mortgage is going to be paid. So until the principle is paid down to 80% of the house’s value, you are required to take out mortgage insurance on the loan. I’m not sure how the premium payment is calculated, but on my $200k home, roughly $170 of my mortgage payment is for the insurance.

If you don’t have the cash to make a 20% down payment, you can get around having to pay mortgage insurance by getting an 80/20 loan package deal. Basically you get a primary loan for the amount of the house, then take out a second loan to pay off 20% of the first loan when combined with your down payment. The second loan is completely independent, with different interest rate (almost always higher), possibly different loan duration (15 years vs. 30), ARM vs. fixed-rate, and quite possibly with a different bank. When I was first running numbers with my loan officer, the total monthly payment with two loans came out roughly equal to one loan + mortgage insurance, but part of the second payment does go into the house’s equity, rather than being completely “flushed away” paying the insurance premium.

Home Equity Line of Credit (HELOC). This seems to be a common choice for a second loan. It was explained to me as something like a credit card balance that has been maxed out. Your payments bring the balance down, but you have the option to “charge” to it as well, up to the credit limit established when you set up the loan.

It’s generally a good idea to put down as large of a down payment as you can. This will reduce the amount of the loan (and the monthly payment), and can reduce (or remove) the amount of time you’re paying mortgage insurance. As a possibly useful tip: I heard that you can withdraw from an IRA account with no penalty or taxes if you are using that money for a down payment on a home (possibly only for first-time homebuyers). Obviously check with a financial advisor or tax accountant for details.

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When I was working on chosing a loan package, I always kept the attitude that anything pushed hard by a bank was always in their benefit. Well, any loan is ultimately going to be in their benefit (they’re not a charity, you know), but more so for the big promoted stuff. I also had a loan officer I knew and trusted, and I made sure to go over the various pros and cons of the different available types.

For my situation, I ended up getting a single, fixed-rate, 30 year mortgage with 5% down payment. Due to some constraints due to the property* I couldn’t get a second loan with good enough numbers to justify the payment vs. the mortgage insurance. I have a stable, well-paying job (the mortgage payment works out to roughly 36% of my take-home pay), and as my new budget shakes out over the next month or so I’ll be overpaying the loan somewhere between $100-$500, which will reduce the loan period 5-15 years.

  • It’s a “manufactured” home, which is considered a higher risk by banks. Some won’t offer loans for those types of properties, and loan options are more limited.

Oh, and if you want to play with numbers, I’ve gotten a lot of use out of the mortgage calculators on this site. Just remember that those only cover payment to the loan, your actual monthly payment will also include property taxes, house insurance, loan insurance, and maybe one or two other items I’ve forgotten.

Okay, I’ve used the calculator and some others and have a hard time understanding something…

The monthly debt load (mine is about 20% of my monthly gross) seems funky. If I enter the actual number my loan eligibility amount is shockingly low. If I jack it up to 3 times the actual amount, all else remaining unchanged, my eligibility number is quadrupled.

WTF? I thought having a relatively low debt load would be a good thing?

Thanks for starting this thread, QuickSilver :slight_smile: I’m looking to buy too!

Check out the publications on this site from Fannie Mae. They have helped me alot.

I’m still in the “considering heavily, saving money like my life depends on it” stage. But all the info i can get is helpful!

Don’t do it! :eek:

I’m in Reston, and housing prices in Fairfax and Loudoun counties are ridiculously high at the moment. You won’t find anything like you describe for less than $300k, the 2-car garage puts you at closer to $500k, and if you want a single-family home (v. a townhouse) prepare to pay around $700k. (I’m sure these are figures you’re familiar with already, but they still shock me a little!)

I’ve been a renter all my life but am starting to think it would be nice to own a place, and the advice I get from every homeowner at work is just to wait a few years until the market settles down. (All of the standard disclaimers apply: none of my co-workers are realtors, I haven’t done any serious research into the issue in years, etc.) But a lot of people I know have just bought homes, everywhere from McLean to Leesburg, plus a bunch of houses in my friends’ Springfield neighborhood have sold recently, and everyone agrees that the market is just nuts right now. I can afford to get into a house and pay a mortgage, but I’d be seriously house-poor and dreading any kind of significant repair work. You seem able to do a lot of “fixing up” yourself, so that may not be a big issue for you.

My lease is up in a year, and I plan to keep renting. I’ll look for something a little smaller (I don’t need the 3rd bedroom, finished basement, fireplace, etc.), but I really like this area and I want to stay here if I can – if not, I’ll look at Vienna/Fairfax. I’ll work on saving some money, and will check out the market in another year or two. (Again, it’s entirely possible that I don’t know what I’m talking about; this is just the advice that I’ve been getting lately.)

I’ll second that. The buzz in the real estate biz in this area is that the market is gonna crash. Folks who paid $150K a few years ago are selling for $480K+ now, and that just won’t last forever. The prices are going to fall; otherwise, a single family, 3 BR house would go for more than a million in another year or two. And that just isn’t going to happen, even in the D.C. metro area. The prices are already driving people away from D.C., even out past Loudon County. Woodstock and Front Royal are getting a lot of refugees from the high market prices now, and that’s quite a commute to the city.

Wait a year or two, and the prices will come down. I watch the prices daily, and sellers are dropping their prices by $5-$10K every week or every month. I don’t intend to buy anything for at least two years, judging from the trend I’m seeing.

I just bought a townhouse in Woodbridge, and I was undecided about buying until I did some simple math: I’m stationed to be in the area for 3 years, so I figured I’d be throwing away around $55,000 in rent money which I’d never see again. If I bought, even though the prices are high, I’d see my money again and maybe even see a return on it. I’m not so sure about the market falling–I’m seriously hoping that BRAC will be sending thousands of people into the Ft. Belvoir area and keeping the value of my house high.

Another DC-area resident chiming in here.

3 years ago I sold a townhouse for the then-shocking sum of just under 300K. Nothing special. No garage. 3 bedrooms (plus a 4th “bedroom” in the basement). Backed up to an open area that let out onto the main road. Bought a detached house in the same area for 500K.

This year, several townhouses on my old street sold for 475K. i.e., nearly what I paid 3 years ago for my detached place. Admittedly, those townhouses backed up to woods - but other than that, identical to my old place. Utterly insane. I believe that as the frenzy eases, those places will lose value. Maybe not much (we’re near Belvoir and BRAC may help) but when we bought it 16 years ago, we bought at the peak of a market and it was nearly 10 years before we could have broken even. Let alone sold at a profit.

I get emailed alerts from our realtor about houses for sale in our zip code. This includes price changes. The past week or so, there’ve been quite a few price drops - as opposed to a year ago, where the places would have sold in a weekend after a bidding war.

I don’t honestly know that the market around here will “crash”, so much as slow down and perhaps suffer a “slight” adjustment. Of course when one pays 500K for a place, “slight” is a relative term!

Given the areas you mention, I’d say you’d probably be looking at 400-500K for a 3BR townhouse. The only way you’d get a detached house for that would be if it was an older, smaller place - a fixer-upper or even a teardown. Going further out will of course help with the cost, but then your commute is screwed. If prices do fall a bit, a townhouse is more “at risk” than a detached place, but not as much as a condo (speaking from our experiences and that of friends).

My advice in general: If you do purchase, do so only if

  1. You really can afford the payments right now (don’t negative-amortize or go for any other funky loan products designed to “help” people who really can’t afford to buy)
  2. You can see yourself staying there longer-term if the market goes south and you can’t sell
  3. If you go for a variable loan, you can handle the payment adjustments.

Consider the 80/20 (or 80/15/5) loan if you can. It’s easier to pay off that second loan early than to try to get PMI removed (and that may be nearly impossible if prices fall at all). Plus the interest is deductible.

Don’t forget the tax benefits if you do buy. If your payment is 2K a month, and you’re in a 28% federal tax bracket, your effective payment (when you calculate the tax savings) is more like 1400-1500 dollars. Real WAG figures there, of course; the interest decreases each month. But we did factor that in when we decided to move a few years ago.

Look at the neighborhood you’re moving into. If it’s unexpectedly affordable, it might be because of neighborhood problems (nearby places getting run-down, crime activity, loud highway noises, bad schools, horrible traffic) that you couldn’t fix easily.

Oh well, better quit rambling now before the hamsters run in horror!

Thanks for all your thoughtful suggestions. I’m not one to rush into things and I’d planned to do my homework thoroughly. This board, as always, is a good place to start.

I can comfortably carry $2000 to $2500 mortgage, including all property and insurance taxes. I suppose that’ll get me into a reasonably nice place here in McLean/Vienna. Again, given today’s market, certainly not palacial. However, I’ve been through one severe real estate correction (not as a homeowner) and one dot com crash (as a stock owner) and I’ve learned enough to know that chatter should not be ignored. I believe I’ll err on the side of caution and wait for that correction that may be coming in the next year or two.

Anxious as I am to open a new chapter in life, I don’t really want that chapter to be titled “11”. I’m going to wait and save my dead presidents for a little bit. My apartment will have to do for a while longer. It’s far from being a dump and the access to work, etc… is very convenient.

Back to reasearch. Thank you all for your helpful advice.

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Chicken Little or not, this boom trend has already exceeded the 7 year norm by 3 years, don’t be surprised to see a 10% drop in values within your 12 month time frame.

When you subtract the insurance ($100) & property taxes (+/- $300/month?) from your budget number & factor in closing costs & down payment: At a 6% 30 year rate, I estimate the ‘amount of home’ you can afford woould be in the low 2’s.

That’s encouraging. :slight_smile:

That’s depressing. :frowning:

I suppose I can carry a mortgage somewhat higher than that but I don’t want to give up driving a nice car. Nice vacations with my kids. Some other modest luxuries in life. Being house poor just doesn’t seem like much fun.

It’s sort of like buying a house off eBay. You tell your realtor the maximum you’ll pay for any given foreclosed property and they put in the bid for you. If nobody bids higher than you, it’s yours. Bear in mind that foreclosed properties tend to need a lot of work.

Talk to prospective lenders and the county to see what programs they offer for first-time buyers. As a first-time buyer about six years ago, I got an $85K condo in NoVA on 3% down and ~$775/month (now ~$650/mo. after refinancing). The county would have likely covered my closing costs had I known about their first-time buyer program beforehand.

Have you considered renting a townhouse? It might be difficult to find one with a 2-car garage – I’m hoping to find one with a 1-car garage next year, myself – but I’m in a roomy 3BR, 2.2BA, 3-level townhouse with a fireplace and finished basement (in a quiet neighborhood) at ~$1500/mo.

You seem to not mind your apartment, but I couldn’t take apartment living anymore and moved to a TH just over two years ago. I can’t imagine going back to an apartment (or even a condo, though I am curious about the new luxury ones on Reston Parkway…) any time soon. :slight_smile:

Have you considering expanding your search to include Falls Church and Springfield? You could knock $100K off the price.

That should have been “considered”.

Fairfax County First-Time Homebuyers Program
Special FTHB properties currently on the market in Fairfax County

The one bedroom apt suits my living requirements right now. It’s a bit snug when the kids sleep over but they don’t seem to mind the close quarters and I kind of like the cozy feel of it myself. Plus the complex has a great pool, gym and underground parking. Moving to a 2br apt has occured and I’m waiting for one to come available. Did I mention I can walk to work and the kids live less than a mile away?

I’m not particularly limited by space right now. Just a lack of character (not my own :stuck_out_tongue: ) and ability to make the place truly my own with my own hands. :slight_smile:

Kind of wanted to stay in the same school district as my kids in case they decide to come live with me. But I’ve lived in Falls Church before. It’s definately a consideration.

Thank you for the links.