No threat of violence. Merely an invitation to meet and discuss.
Its a pay as you go. I have lots of 'em. Hence the ask for Dave thing.
Although I am called Dave.
mods…
If I’ve broken a rule with the phone, please delete.
owlstretchingtime, I removed your phone number from the post above. It is a very bad idea to post personal details on an internet message board, especially if you’re not that well liked to begin with. You’re welcome.
And if we ever catch you making physical threats against another board member again, or insinuating as much, it’ll be the last thing you do on these boards. Is that understood?
Tst,
Ha ha!!! ‘Come on have a go if you think you’re hard enough’?!?!
Is that it? Is that all you’ve got?
Words fail me, though obviously not as much as they fail you.
<Hijack> okay, somewhat related.
Speaking of Anglo-Irish treaty, they’ve just put up a statue of Michael Collins. I wonder how long I’ve got to go see it before someone whacks the head off it.
<Hijack over>
And here I was, thinking everyone was getting along quite nicely now.
But let’s repeat it again- the acts of the few do not always represent the opinions of the many.
MNM
OST, try telling the men being illegally (under the terms of the Good Friday Agreement) held in prison for the Jerry McCabe murder that the current Irish government is pro-IRA.
Idiot.
OST- I think that most folks are going to discount what you may have to say, based on your “thug-like” approach.
If, perchance, I had an opportunity to meet with you in person, to discuss our views in re: “Martial Arts v. Football Hooligan fighting stule”, I would politley decline. I feel that, if I made my point to strongly, you would swing on me… this makes you seem both boorish, and less intelligent.
In the future, the best way to debate, is with facts and figures, not veiled threats and implied knowledge.
The thread seems to have been eaten. Yes you did admit you were wrong and as for the same happening in reverse? Well of course it could. If you made a point which was in any way sensible but you haven’t yet.
Are there Irish people who wanted/want to see British people dead? Yes but a hell of a lot less than there used to be.
Are there people willing to give these people shelter? Yes
Have Irish people in the name of Irish Freedom carried out terrible acts of wanton violence in NI and on mainland Britain? Yes.
And on and on. Yes but the Irish Government and by extension the Irish State did none of the above.
I put it to you that you hold a somewhat skewed view of the Irish. You are only familiar with the negative side of our collective histories. I am aware of you father being stationed in NI which couldn’t have been a easy situation. All this aside you are still wrong.
Sorry if that annoys you but you are. The Irish state since the times of DeValera who in his past was a member of the IRA has prosecuted terrorists. You only know of the terrorists.
The implied threat in this thread is laughable. You have made a fool out of yourself and frankly I couldn’t be arsed anymore. Think what you want but as with many things in your world view you are wrong.
Keep reaching for those stars.
Seeing as the put it up in West Cork, its more likely the statue will be shot in the back. 
Oh dear. It has turned into a train wreck.
OST, is that really the best you can do? You’ve provided not one shred of evidence to back up any of your assertions. You seem to have derived your knowledge of this subject from second-hand misinformation and propaganda, rather than genuine research.
I’m sure you could beat me into a pulp if you wanted. Is that how you solve all your problems?
Yes, they are. Though many, of course, are from the UK (i.e. Northern Ireland) and are therefore British. By your illogic, every single fucking British arsehole condemns the entire nation. Clearly untrue. What the fuck are you talking about?
OK, this is the one and only real argument you’ve come up with. All I’m asking for is proof of obstruction and obfuscation. That’s all I’m asking for. Give me a cite, old boy.
You did, and it was laudable, because your initial position was wrong. Unfortunately, you’re in the same position here: the reason I’m calling you ignorant is that you’re just plain wrong, again. If you could provide anything - a single shred of evidence - to back up your satements, then I’d happily listen.
If some bunch of bastards pledge allegiance to somewhere, it doesn’t follow that that country is complicit in their views. The BNP pledges allegiance to Britain. That doesn’t mean that the British government and people are fascists (by the way, why the fuck would I call those motherfuckers freedom fighters? Why insinuate that I might do this? They’re terrorists).
Some probably have: some hide in Britain, some in the Republic of Ireland, some in the US, some in Northern Ireland, some in Australia, some in Germany, etc. etc. Are all these countries’ governments complicit? When the IRA are on the run in Ireland, they are sought as a matter of urgency by the police, same as in the UK. The above cites I provided prove this. You’ve given nothing to back up your assertion. You’ve lost that one.
Yes, I quite agree. Your point?
I never claimed the Garda were particularly competent (refer to the Dessie O’Hare case). Alas, terrorists still slip through the net all over the world. Including in the UK, which has a more highly developed investigative police force. Again, where is the evidence to back up your assertions?
On analysis, it appears that you have absolutely nothing to prove your spurious argument. You continue to condemn a government and its people based on the actions of a few. In the face of your inability to argue your points, you make threats of violence.
As an expatriate of several difference, I spend a lot of time trying to dispel the stereotype of the Ugly Englishman to foreigners. Sometimes I feel like I’m wasting my time.
“several difference” 
What the fuck am I on about? Please read that as “ten years”.
Hello again;
Firstly an apology for having such a toys-out-of pram tantrum.
This is an emotive issue for all, and for me in particular as I grew up overshadowed by the Irish war. I lost relatives, friends and colleagues in this conflict and this can cause the red mist to come down. For the record; I wish no one any physical harm.
(incidentally no one took me up on the offer, make of that what you will).
Secondly I think that I wouldn’t say anything to anyone on the web that I wouldn’t be prepared to say to their face. This isn’t toughness it’s decent behaviour. Clearly others don’t beleive the same.
The other particular problem is that I can’t access this thread “as it happens” so I am faced with a lot of very hostile name calling posts. It doesn’t do ones equilibrium any favours I can tell you, especially if you have been cursed with a short fuse.
I can’t see any side being won over by arguement. (well I’ve seen nothing to change my mind, which we all know does happen)
I still believe, and beleive that the evidence supports this, that the Irish governement is half-hearted in it’s attempts to deal with terrorists.
However I can also see the other side. I just think it’s wrong.
Is there any point in continuing this thread?
If you think there is plaese feel free to do so. I will only be able to look in from time to time as it is a bank holiday weekend here and I have to do family stuff.
owl.
I can’t speak for everyone, but what I make of it is that the people not taking you up on your invitations to fight are actually belong to the Homo Sapiens subspecies, as opposed to being Neanderthals with football jerseys, used to resolving each and any dispute by means of brute force.
But then, maybe that’s just me.
OST, you may be right about name-calling, though it is the habit on this board to bandy hyperbolic swearing about in the Pit. Having said that, I would say the same to your face in the pub, but only if I didn’t think you were going to lamp me one.
I’m sorry that you have been personally affected by terrorism. However, you should realise that bandying about glib and hysterical statements like the one I was objecting to is inflammatory and insulting to many posters on the board.
That’s more like a debate. You may have a case regarding the half-heartedness of the Irish government in dealing with terrorism in the 1970s and early 80s (though don’t forget that it was the Irish government that first introduced internment, not the British). The corruption and pro-IRA leanings of Charlie Haughey, former Taiseaoch and convicted IRA gun-runner could indicate this. I seriously don’t think the same is true today, and therein lies something we can talk about (in civil terms) in GD next week, if you want. Bring your evidence.
Otherwise, have a nice August Bank Holiday. We already had ours in Ireland. It pissed with rain. :mad:
ost remember it’s quite an emotive issue for both sides. You know my or any other Irish posters history as little as I know yours.
If I was having this out to your face I’d have no problem saying anything I’ve said here and more to your face. I’ve met people who could well have been the people that killed the people you know. They have all been intelligent passionate people who didn’t have any problems doing the things they did as they were at war. I don’t agree with their POV but there you go.
When you post something like you did expect some shit. I’d expect it if I posted something as silly.
Once more. Ireland is not at war with you. Some people are but that isn’t the same thing.
Slán.