Ok, Atheist. What's the problem?

Your failure to understand does not mean the explanation is wrong.

The starting point is the time the universe came into existence. Time doesn’t have any meaning before that.

As for “where did the big bang come from?”, our best guess nowadays is that we’ll never know, because any information about the first instants of the big bang were obliterated by the big bang. If your house burns down that could destroy the evidence that would have told you why your house burned down. So you’ll never know why, because the event destroyed the evidence of the cause of the event.

I’m responding without reading anything but the OP, because I am just that big fo a jackass.

To the OP: why should does the universe imply a pre-existent creator, but not the same for God?

DT, just from idle curiosity, what substance would you like our bones to be made from?

As nice as it would be to have something/one to blame all this on:

No.

If there was a ‘designer’, where’d he go? Why’d he stop designing? What the hell? Just stopped by for 6 days of creating and then nothing for 2 millennium?

If he’s so intelligent, how come, all this time later, no definitive proof has been found? I mean, we found proof of long gone civilizations, dinosaurs, quantum physics. I should think we’d have stumbled onto something, by this time.

But no, the best we get is a wordy book of questionable veracity and blind faith. If there was an intelligent designer I should think he’d be appalled at what’s been done in his name. I should think he’d have been smart enough to keep cruel wars, persecution and such from being done in his name.

The first rule of Big Bang is you don’t ask about Big Bang.

I think the OP was a joke, which is why it was first posted in MPSIMS. People, don’t take it so seriously.

ETA: That’s confirmed by all his subsequent responses: Definitely a joke. I guess it’s too easy to get people riled up here.

Is the pope a Buddist?

To add to the arguments above, also it’s a very natural tendancy for humans to anthropomorphize aspects of the world. Over time though many of the things that were once thought to demonstrate intelligence have been shown to be caused by natural processes.
With the remaining gaps, we should be careful not fall into the trap again of assuming looks like intelligence: therefore intelligence.
(Not that it even looks like intelligence IMO)

Even if you did eat a diet of junk food, god would not be blameless for hemorrhoids. It’s pretty established that there is an innate predisposition towards fatty, low-fibre foods.
So that disposition + bowels vulnerable to that kind of diet = nice work, god.

Yea don’t say. :wink:

A few simple examples from human anatomy that suggest we were not designed:

  • The appendix. The lifetime risk for acute appendicitus is about 1 in 11. If untreated, death is likely.
  • The blind spot. Why would a designer put the optic nerve in front of the photoreceptors?
  • Short-sightedness, which effects a very large proportion of the population. Again, what is this designer playing at?

These flaws are however entirely consistant with the theory of evolution. Evolution finds “good enough” solution, not optimal ones, and works by slow adaption. Short-sightedness is not a major handicap in an agricultural society, so the genes that produce it are not eliminated. The eye slowly adapted over many generations, so it wasn’t possibly to completely re-wire it.

Well, something like titanium would be nice; a common element (if hard to extract and work technologically), very strong, light, and compatible with human tissue (which is why it’s used surgical implants). If our evolutionary history had been a bit different perhaps we’d be using titanium instead of calcium.

For something more typically found in living things, perhaps something similar to wood. Wood unlike bone is capable of both being strong and somewhat flexible at the same time. Add in a copy of spider dragline silk - (it’s strong enough for bulletproof vests) to further increase it’s strength; that would also be a nice augmentation to the rest of the body in fact.

Hey, NOLA Cajun! What did your face look like one year before sperm merged into egg?

What?! The question I asked has no meaning?

Sorry, guy, that don’t fly. Answer it anyway. :stuck_out_tongue:

- "Jack"

True. If neither the universe or we were here, we probably wouldn’t be having this conversation. So what?

Not hardly. Stupid designer at best. Look at all that wasted space. Look at all those planets where we never could live.

I don’t think you grasp how immensely huge the universe is. We have no idea, nor can we, what stars billions of light years away look like. Given that we have only been exploring under the water for a hundred years or so, we are doing pretty well.

If you want to call the universe god, then god exists. If you want to call that traffic light god, same thing. If God has no intelligence, no purpose for us, no wishes, and if god never interacts with us, then there is no difference between god existing and not existing.

At the moment it appears that the net energy in the universe is zero. Next question.

As we see from Conway’s Game of Life, complex structures can arise from very simple rules, no intelligence required. No anything in the universe that does not appear to have evolved, as it were from simple rules - including us? If not, there is no reason for there to be a god.

Has anyone mentioned what I consider to be the biggest design flaw of all?
Sunlight causes cancer.

Aluminum.

An intelligent designer would just design a suitable substance.

Elbows, I’m really startin’ to dig your scene!

Does it say intelligent designer? Yes, if you want it to. But ,you have to want it to.

I thought it was a drunken ramble, especially when I read post #2.

Seemed like the idea of a shot glass was pretty much moot to him.