I completely agree.
Except Meat is Murder has never by any culture been considered a polite greeting. Whereas such blessings were the mainstream in this country for most of its history.
Well, I’m glad y’all understand the true purpose of religion. Which is to give us something to argue about that can never be logically resolved.
But why? Isn’t that a cultural norm? 
 Standard greeting, is it not?
As I said in the Great Debates thread, federal law repeatedly seems to take the position that a person (a federal office-holder, enlistee in the armed forces, or immigrant seeking naturalization) can either make a Judeo-Christian religious oath or a secular affirmation. Someone who wants to become a U.S. citizen, join the Army, or become a deputy undersecretary is not allowed to swear by the Goddess, or in the Name of Allah (or however Muslims swear). The Constitution does not discriminate in this way in the oath of office for the President; the religious bit is left out of the Constitution entirely, allowing a Christian President to add “So help me God”, while another President could say “So help me Goddess” or whatever appeals to his or her personal conscience.
Except Meat is Murder has never by any culture been considered a polite greeting. Whereas such blessings were the mainstream in this country for most of its history.
What about the militant vegetarian culture?
What makes you think the atheist/agnostic culture considers a blessing a polite greeting. Actually, it’s been made pretty clear it’s not culturally acceptable among atheists and agnostics. Just because most of you are Christians doesn’t make it acceptable to bulldoze everyone else with your platitudes. Might does not make right.
I don’t think that recessive cultural accretions are a wrong that ought be righted.
So you think that any cultural habit, no matter how morally wrong, ought to be left alone because it’s a cultural accretion? Do you really want to put yourself in the position of having to argue for that?
What you really mean is that you don’t think there’s anything wrong with the stuff the atheists object to that the OP is talking about. If you thought there was, you wouldn’t be arguing that they should remain - even though wrong - merely because they are encrusted.
Why? You trust in God, too- you just trust that he won’t actually start existing tomorrow, rather than that he’ll Bless America and protect our troops and make sure the markets run smoothly and so on.
I suspect she trusts in the continuation of reality as we know it. It’s inapt to suggest that one trusts in something that doesn’t exist that it won’t begin to exist. It doesn’t exist and therefore can’t be trusted in.
The verb bless comes from Old English blœdsian, blēdsian, blētsian, “to bless, wish happiness, consecrate.” Although the Old English verb has no cognates in any other Germanic language, it can be shown to derive from the Germanic noun *blōdan, “blood.” Blœdsian therefore literally means “to consecrate with blood, sprinkle with blood.” The Angles, Saxons, and Jutes, the early Germanic migrants to Britain, used blœdsian for their pagan sacrifices. After they converted to Christianity, blœdsian acquired new meanings as a result of its use in translations of the Latin Bible, but it kept its pagan Germanic senses as well.
So the etymology accommodates pagans, but not vegans.
Have a bloody day!
How about “Have a butthurt day”? Non-religious, and pretty much guaranteed to be fulfilled on the instant, whereas “Have a nice day” is patently offensive to people whose evidence-based point of view is that nice days aren’t to be had for the wishing, for a start.
Newdow and his followers are taking a perfectly acceptable set of beliefs and taking it to a preposterous extreme.
It’s funny how if I say the same thing about, say, Bill Donahue, I get people jumping up to berate me for the implicit assumption that Donahue speaks for Catholics. And Donahue’s the head of a large advocacy organization that’s been shouting from various soapboxes for thirty years or so. Michael Newdow, by contrast, is one man with a lot of time on his hands. He doesn’t have “followers” in any non-preposterous sense of the word.
I’m wondering how long it’s going to be until atheism is held by some crackpot court to be a requirement for public office on separation grounds. After all, how can you separate religion from government if government is run by people who are religious?
I imagine our forefathers’ spinning has reduced their coffins to splinters by now. :rolleyes:
We wouldn’t want our politicians basing their beliefs on evidence, would we? If they did, they might stop making stupid, costly mistakes.
We wouldn’t want our politicians basing their beliefs on evidence, would we? If they did, they might stop making stupid, costly mistakes.
You’re kidding, right?
You’re kidding, right?
Yes, I am.
I don’t think that recessive cultural accretions are a wrong that ought be righted.
It’s not a “recessive cultural accretion”; it was put in the Pledge and on the money as a deliberate slam against atheists, during the anti-Communist hysteria.
Sort of a way of saying “See, we’re God-fearin’, Red-hating True Believers, not godless Commies ! And we all know those atheists and evil-utionists will burst into flame if they speak God’s name or handle God’s money !”
You have to be a Christian to work at the Holy Land Experience. Not that I wanted to, or anything. I just thought they were practically begging for a lawsuit.
OK, I’m curious - what the hell is the Holy Land Experience ? What do people do there ? Whippings and crucifixions ? Slaughter the cursed hordes of Saladdin ? Lob rockets at passerbys ? If they don’t, there’s grounds for a misleading advertizing lawsuit IMO.
I also do not like the motto of “in god we trust”. Really, we do? Do we also trust in leprechauns? Because I think our money might be worth more if that were to be the case. It would be backed by a myriad pots of gold!
Sounds like what you need to do is get a tiny chisel and change all your coins to read “In Gold We Trust”.
Back when I said the Pledge of Allegiance, I just left out the “under God” part. It’s not a big deal.
I have been known to sit down on a quiet evening and black out “In God We Trust” from all of my bills. Since I’ve gone to using a debit card, I don’t do this as often. I haven’t found a chisel small enough for coins.
Sounds like what you need to do is get a tiny chisel and change all your coins to read “In Gold We Trust”.
Not since Nixon, you don’t.
I really don’t give a damn whether someone tells me to have a blessed day or not. If it’s meant sincerely, I’ll accept it sincerely. I’ve had people attempt to preach me to see “The Way” or whatever, and I just get very… irritating to them.
I’ve been asked whether I’ve talked to Jesus today, and I’ve told them that, “Yeah, talked to him this morning and he told me that some idiots were going to try to talk for him to me today”.
For me, let me believe what I want, I’ll let you believe what you want.
I have been known to sit down on a quiet evening and black out “In God We Trust” from all of my bills. Since I’ve gone to using a debit card, I don’t do this as often. I haven’t found a chisel small enough for coins.
Dremel tool.
