Education isn’t just telling people something. It’s helping them to understand something. You have steadfastly refused to provide any sort of information that would help us to understand your position. Come across with some information that isn’t in the form of an appeal to authority, an unsupported claim, or simply an anecdote, and we’ll be all ears.
The fact that I’ve asked for this about a dozen times, along with many other people, and you’ve completely failed makes me believe that you either don’t have any such evidence or you don’t know what anecdote means.
To the part of you that is a parent trying to deal with a very difficult situation, you have my sympathy and understanding. I know what it is like to deal with a child with a chronic disorder of unknown origin that presents daily complications for you and your family.
To the part of you that is a brainwashed zealot dissuading parents from proper treatment and accusing professionals of malice - fuck off. You’re an easily duped, moronic tool and a sideshow clown.
Your ‘education’ consisst of making false claims about a treatment that does not work.
That’s utter crap. The media have given quacks and cranks a free ride with their nonsense and have given far too much lightglove treatment for the shit and lies they spew. And for the record, drug companies do not consider vaccinations to be very profitable. If they had their way from a pure business sense they’d love to sell viagra clones and cholesterol treatment drugs, where the big money is. Vaccines are low margin, high regulation, and require constant testing and research. The idea that the drug companies are going to go to any lengths, like forcing the media to do say what they want, is laughable.
If I ask this question it will not be because some coddle, spoiled idiot born before the era of devastating illness made accusations about what the doctor actually did right.
Oh go fuck yourself and get off the goddamn cross with your fucking fake cure. The treatment you propose is bullshit and has cured a single child. All you’ve done is garner mistrust of a widespread and effective profession for the sake of your own smugness.
ME! ME! ME!
Horseshit. They’d be another crank running another worthless treatment with a small and vocal crowd of idiots who think they somehow ‘know’ better than all the experts in the world cheering them on as they did nothing worth a damn and actually makes things worse.
Perhaps the biggest problem with vaccines is that they work too well.
We’ve become very complacent about infectious diseases. There are no more diptheria epidemics, parents don’t worry themselves sick every summer about whether their kids will get polio and become paralyzed or die, and if you get a puncture wound a simple shot will keep you from getting lockjaw and dying an agonizing death.
Renewed outbreaks in this country of measles, whooping cough and other diseases, with scattered deaths and greater numbers of permanent disabilities, will prompt some renewed respect for vaccines. What would really do the trick, sorry to say, is a major epidemic involving a truly dangerous strain of influenza. In that case, I doubt we’d see moms like the one in the OP avoiding vaccination for their kiddies. Instead, they’d be screaming bloody murder if their darling was not the very first in line for the shot. And if we didn’t have a vaccine fast enough or ran out of vaccine because so few manufacturers are left, then you’d hear a whole new set of conspiracy theories.
P.S. To foresam - Not that I expect anything useful from you on this topic, but for however long you remain on this board, do you think you could reply to others by placing their remarks first in your post, followed by whatever harangue you wish to make? Doing this in reverse order makes your posts even more incomprehensible than they have to be.
Correct me if I’m wrong but I think the first post I made was up for a couple of days before others mentioned a lawyer trying to interfere. Then someone from neurodiversity showed up too and that’s when you decided to enforce your rules. If there was nothing wrong with my post or others’ posts for two days, that would seem suspicious to most people. Don’t you agree? Why don’t you, just for the hell of it, go to my blog and read how I dealt with that same lawyer on the post “Amanda Baggs Lawyers Up”? Your actions speak louder than your words.
I had whooping cough, my father had polio, everyone I knew had chicken pox, measles, rubella and mumps. Aside from one sister having a very small pock mark left on her head, nobody suffered any ill effects.
Your telling me to fuck myself does not invalidate the fact that lots of children are already cured of autism. How come doctors know that chelation is the proper treatment for mercury poisoning but try to deny it works when they see it working for autism? That takes a lot of balls!
My next door neighbor the pediatrics nurse had to take care of little babies on ventilators after some local asshole school nurse gave out vaccine exemptions to the nearby dumbass contingent. We had a whooping cough outbreak in my neighborhood because of her actions.
Pertussis will kill babies. Polio cripples. Measles can cause brain damage. Rubella does terrible things to a fetus. Mumps can steal a child’s hearing.
The fact that your family allegedly escaped harm means absolutely nothing.
Your idiotic beliefs that these are harmless diseases do not invalidate the fact that are indeed extremely treacherous nor the fact that vaccines protect us from them.
You’re a moron if you assert otherwise. Take your psudeo-science, find an island where you can live with other anti-vaccinators and leave the rest of us free from your contagion. We’ll come by to clean out the corpses.
You’re telling me your father had polio and had ‘no ill effects’? Are you fucking kidding me? Are you going to tell me that just because a few folks you know got off scott free that there are no extra problems with the diseases you mention? You’re completely full of shit and the excess is what you are typing into this forum!
Then prove it! To date, every study…in MULTIPLE countries has shown your ‘cure’ to be utter horseshit! Repeating a lie does not make it true!
Because it *doesn’t fucking work for autism!*Furthermore There’s no evidence for mercury being the cause of autism!
Its a load of horseshit scammers have been trying to foist chalation on people and it can be very dangerous! Worse, they are actively discouraging folks from vaccinating and that can lead to outbreaks!
No, what takes a lot of balls, or rather takes unfiltered chutzpuh as well as an overinflated ego, is to claim one is right when all the evidence says otherwise.
That reminds me of a conversation I had about thirty years ago with a friend in North Carolina. As he was hacking away at the kudzu vines that threatened to consume his lawn (kudzu grows like wildfire down South), I pointed out that kudzu root starch was consumed as food in Japan. My friend looked at me like I was out of my mind and roared, “I don’t EAT my ENEMIES!”
Most of the people here seem to be enjoying bashing what i’ve said. That’s OK because it can take time for low IQ people to learn and I have lots of patience.
Can anyone tell me though, why nobody thought it was something positive that I helped my son improve his condition with chelation? It should be good news that autism is now curable yet not one person has asked to learn any specifics about how chelation works or why it works.
I don’t think we particularly enjoy reading your idiotic factfree posts. There is a sort of black humor in the sense that we can’t quite believe what we’re reading (are you really advocating do it yourself chelation) but more of a looming vision of world without vaccines and lots of dead children in it. That’s not fun at all.
Oh and maybe the reason we’re doubtful of your claims about your son’s alleged improvement via chelation is because you haven’t provided any proof. Or we’ve read material indicating this is impossible. Or we know that austism isn’t curable. Or perhaps we know exactly how chelation works.
Or maybe you’re just stupid and that’s why no one’s listening to you?
We also don’t want to know the specifics of how the moon landing was staged, how 26 different people killed JFK, how the Bilderbergers control our lives, etc. We’re just crazy that way.
Studies are needed, though. The best way to prove your point is to bring a cite of a study that shows a distinct correlation between the treatment of mercury levels in people with autism with chelation and a decrease in autistic symptoms. If all other factors that could influence the results are controlled and the results reproducible in other studies run by disinterested third parties, then we’ll pay more attention to what you say. As long as you bring nothing to the table but youtube videos and blog links then we have no reason to believe you.
I was surprised to find myself agreeing with this woman as well, and then I read the bit about the 5 year old “reassuring Dr Ianco that he was just growing” when the child was ill. That is some scary shit. Life threatening illness does not purify, it does not elevate–it is a body destroying, mind damaging, soul harming condition.
I am speechless at what I am reading here–and I wish I had remained ignorant of the outright stupidity displayed by those who are anti-vaccine. As has been said, correlation is not causation–many things have changed in the past 50 years that could contribute to autism. Diet, environment, identification of the disorder and exposure to pollutants are among these. The fact that many, many more boys are diagnosed seems to lead to a genetic or at least a chromosomal link.
Why pick on vaccines? It seems to me an easy target that feeds a paranoia about the “big drug companies”–I put this thinking on par with the woman who sent me an email detailing how Tampax was putting asbestos into their tampons so that women would bleed more and therefore buy more tampons. (I know, it doesn’t make any sense to me, either).
As for the woman the OP refers to: I don’t wish catastrophic illness on anyone, especially this strange form of “Munschausen’s by proxy”*–in that it would be the child who suffered and perhaps died because of the wishes of the parent.
I wish I could say this to that woman: she is protected by her own immunizations that she refuses to give to her child. In the usual way of things, a parent is willing to sacrifice themselves for their offspring. I wonder how she would respond if it was pointed out to her that her parents (most likely) vaccinated her, she is fine, and yet she is not willing to extend that protection to her child?
Unbelievable.
I realize this is not really MbP. But what else to call it–when you WANT your child to get sick with a potentially deadly illness?
So you’re arguing that merthiolate metabolizes to ethylmercury, which then crosses the blood-brain barrier and causes damage to or prevents nerve sheath formation and possible other neurological problems and that treatment with DMSA (which ought to be a fine mercury ligand with those bidentate thiols) binds the Hg(I) which is then presumably excreted somehow, presumably through the urine (I can’t get access to Analyst from my current IP address to read the review cited in the Wikipedia article on DMSA.) But you have yet to give any studies that such treatment has results greater than placebo or that a significant amount of mercury higher than what would be naturally present in the body is being removed, something which should be a fairly easy test.
So why should I bother listening to you until you can at least prove that a statistically-significant amount of mercury is being remove as well as the other studies that Inner Stickler has pointed out?
Irrational attachment to an ideology, for one; fear, for another; vulnerability to sales pitches, for yet another. The same illogic inspires people to administer powerful drugs to their children when none are indicated, and to keep administering them for years and years.
“This invention teaches the use of chelating agents to diagnose and treat metal toxins in a patient. Chelation agents are given to the mother for the benefit of the baby. Metal toxins such as lead, arsenic, mercury, tin, antimony, aluminum and others are known to cause miscarriages, birth defects, maldevelopment of the organs and tissues and maldevelopment of the brain. Chelation treatments of the mother can prevent these problems in the embryo, fetus and infant. Removal of lead and mercury and other toxins allows improved development of the offspring, both during the chelation and after the chelation is discontinued. Determining whether a mother who has just delivered a baby has elevated levels of heavy metals can also be used to identify the elevated metals of the mother as a possible cause of birth defects.”
If you had an autistic kid, you’d feel differently. You probably have no idea what a freaking nightmare it is for everyone in the family.
“So why should I bother listening to you until you can at least prove that a statistically-significant amount of mercury is being remove as well as the other studies that Inner Stickler has pointed out?”
Asterion, you have a good point. If you don’t have an autistic kid, you can afford to wait until somebody gets around to doing a study. I don’t have that luxury, my kid needs the help now. Lots of parents are having the tests done to see how much mercury is coming out. You can read the Yahoo group Autism-Mercury and learn about this in fragments. If you have a kid to cure, it’s worth spending countless hours doing that reading.
One would think the CDC would try to do such a study. They had one proposed on chelation and cancelled it. They were not going to use ALA which would have made the whole thing useless though, since ALA is the only thing that can drag mercury past the blood brain barrier.
