OK, NOW I'm REALLY annoyed with the Anti-vaccination crowd

Not quite. My son was diagnosed before anyone knew that thimerosal had caused the autism epidemic. Once this became common knowledge starting in 1999, more and more respectable doctors began correcting the malpractice that had been committed by their negligent colleagues. The one who I think gives the best advice does not charge anyone anything, that’s right, free.

Quacks try to convince unsuspecting parents that teachers can cure mercury poisoning, thereby wasting the taxpayers money on uneducable children who don’t get cured, thereby making it look like vaccines didn’t scramble their brains. Those of us who are unscrambling those brains become enemies of the drug companies since curing autism by removing mercury proves that the mercury caused the autism.

If you all stop going in circles andjust pay attention, perhaps I can undo the bad information you gained from propaganda. Studies paid for by the criminals are not trustworthy.

So, you’re saying that the studies by the Geier Bros. are not trustworthy? LOL.

Worse still. Home administered chelation.

:eek:

All you have to do is get rid of the word all and substitute we for I in that sentence and you have it exactly right.

Then it would properly read:

“If you stop going around in circles and just pay attention then perhaps we can undo the bad information you gained from propaganda. Studies paid for by criminals are not trustworthy.”

:wink:

Much better.

I just got back to this thread after the weekend, and I’m gob-smacked. Foresam, you may have already answered this before, but why doesn’t every single kid who ever had a vaccination have autism? If it’s the mercury that’s causing it, shouldn’t at least most if not all those kids have it (including you and your spouse)?

How long did it take for you to find a doctor who agreed with your recommended “cure”? It doesn’t sound like this is something you really consulted a medical professional about at all - you just made up your mind what had happened and went to find someone to agree with you. Is that the case? How did you come by this information?

How can you ever know for sure if it was the mercury if you never had him tested in the first place and fail to continue to have him tested to see if those levels are going down?

Is that as dangerous as it sounds? I’ll be honest and admit that all I know about chelation therapy is for iron overload and that the trick there is coming up with orally-active chelators, as the only real treatment now is subcutaneous administration of desferrioxamine B. Damn it LavenderBlue, I’m a chemist, not a doctor. My interest is on the synthetic end. But I can tell you for sure that that treatment, at least, is real medicine and not quackery.

I still want to hear foresam defend using a non-approved chelation treatment with a non-approved chelator. We won’t, of course.

A little tour, via Google, around the web shows that fore sam has been making dubious claims about mercury, autism and ADD and being asked for evidence for years. Nobody else has seemed to make a dent in his stupidity - I doubt we’ll be able to do any good here.

If he directed even half his energy towards getting his son reasonable treatment that he commits to spewing bullshit all over the web, his son might have made more improvement by now.

Of course, I’ve never heard an actual parent of an autistic person refer to their child as a vegetable before. Who knows - maybe it’s something that occurs among the extreme crazy groups. Maybe it’s a distancing technique, along with spending all of one’s time for years on the web.

Hentor the Barbarian, in your travels through Google did you find anything to indicate a child actually exists? Is this person just out for attention? I really find it hard to believe a parent would subject their child to a controversial treatment without even bothering to test for the condition being treated. I hope that even a doctor who whould support such treatment would insist on testing to prove the condition exists.

Could foresam be a childless attention whore?

Our boy has been active outside of this Board today. He posted to his blog this morning a diatribe against a physician, Paul Offet.

Of course, Here’s Offet’s paper in the New England Journal of Medicine from Sept. 27th, 2007.

I note that our boy lists Mein Kampf among his favorite books. Dude’s a special kind of crazy. As if we hadn’t already noticed.

On the other hand, perhaps we should find his ideas fascinating and subscribe to his newsletter…

(The more time he spends here amusing us with his special kind of crazy, the less time he’ll spend out on other parts of the internet where they don’t understand the idea of significant sample size and statistical correlation - think of it as a public service).

The only time the kids been mentioned in a personal way, was Foresam’s description of the child spreading faeces and screaming.

The extreme fatigue associated with Chelation therapy would reduce that behavour.

It’s not a cure, but it could seem like progress.

“No pain, no gain.” on the surface, callous and sick. But isn’t that what we all felt as we held our children still while they had painful injections? If you simply refused to see the benefits, wouldn’t it look like we were putting viruses into our children - to help them? If you refused to understand the science, wouldn’t that seem crazy?

Wouldn’t we all feel an overwhelming need to justify ourselves if *we *poured poison into our kids 3 times a week? If we had such an extreme regimen of stripping out required nutrients and replacing them - three times a week?

I feel sad for the kid. I feel sad for Foresam.

But it’s definitely more kinds of crazy than I care to deal with anymore.

Do you know that for a fact?

where are all these guests coming from on this topic?

How pathetically little you know when you can claim that “Children are not damaged from vaccination”. Why doesn’t Doctor Hentor the Barbarian shed light on your ignorance, and call you “a fucking moron”?

Doctor Hentor the Barbarian,

Instead of abusing the father of a young man with severe autism, how about you respond here to my message on the other thread ?

As a doctor and a clinician, do you diagnose toddlers and young children with ASDs? If you do, why do you have no problem differentiating between ADHD and an ASD in the younger child, whereas other clinicians obviously do?

I didn’t say it was. But knowing of several toddlers diagnosed with Aspergers Syndrome, and having met IRL teens recently diagnosed with Aspergers who are fashion conscious and have boyfriends, girlfriends, and social lives, and even have good eye-contact, something is going on. They are not in the least bit disabled. You, personally, might not be diagnosing these individuals, Dr Hentor the Barbarian, but someone is.

It would seem to me that an ASD diagnosis gets kids “services” but an ADHD diagnosis does not.

It certainly tires me out. When I said that the continued increase in autism was due to the introduction of screening in 2000, you responded with, “That statement is a complete crock”

I wrote:

**Is it? **

http://www.firstsigns.org/screening/asd.htm

The thread was closed, so I’ll repeat my question here:

Can you show me proof that during the 1990s, medical professionals were screening routinely for autism?

And this is the crux of the matter. You as a medical professional are playing your part in protecting the Immunisation Programme. You have a mission.

Don’t tell me that you don’t know that children are damaged by vaccines.

DAMN those evil vaccines. I see it all the time. Just another example of The Man keeping these Third World children down and in chains. :rolleyes: