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Translation: You searched high and low until you found a couple of quacks that agreed(or pretended to agree) with your own ill-thought-out “diagnosis” and realized they could live off of the chelation treatments they make your poor children suffer through, their income being further bolstered by the other poor souls you’ve somehow deluded.
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Not quite. My son was diagnosed before anyone knew that thimerosal had caused the autism epidemic. Once this became common knowledge starting in 1999, more and more respectable doctors began correcting the malpractice that had been committed by their negligent colleagues. The one who I think gives the best advice does not charge anyone anything, that’s right, free.
Quacks try to convince unsuspecting parents that teachers can cure mercury poisoning, thereby wasting the taxpayers money on uneducable children who don’t get cured, thereby making it look like vaccines didn’t scramble their brains. Those of us who are unscrambling those brains become enemies of the drug companies since curing autism by removing mercury proves that the mercury caused the autism.
[QUOTE=Sierra Indigo]
The truth has been placed out there several times. The cites have been provided, repeated, replaced, renewed, responded.
The poster is ignoring all information to the contrary.
The poster is refusing to provide actual cites, instead relying on Youtube videos and blog articles to further their ‘cause’.
At this point in time everyone’s going around in circles.
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If you all stop going in circles andjust pay attention, perhaps I can undo the bad information you gained from propaganda. Studies paid for by the criminals are not trustworthy.
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If you all stop going in circles andjust pay attention, perhaps I can undo the bad information you gained from propaganda. Studies paid for by the criminals are not trustworthy.
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So, you’re saying that the studies by the Geier Bros. are not trustworthy? LOL.
[QUOTE=Czarcasm]
[Definitely NOT Moderator Status]I can’t believe I’m saying this but here goes…I hope to ghod you are blowing smoke up our asses about making your kids suffer through multiple and continuing chelation “treatments” because, as much as I hate to put up with trollish behavior, the thought that this is being done to children makes me feel ill.[/Definitely NOT Moderator Status]
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[QUOTE=foresam]
If you all stop going in circles andjust pay attention, perhaps I can undo the bad information you gained from propaganda. Studies paid for by the criminals are not trustworthy.
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All you have to do is get rid of the word all and substitute we for I in that sentence and you have it exactly right.
Then it would properly read:
“If you stop going around in circles and just pay attention then perhaps we can undo the bad information you gained from propaganda. Studies paid for by criminals are not trustworthy.”
I just got back to this thread after the weekend, and I’m gob-smacked. Foresam, you may have already answered this before, but why doesn’t every single kid who ever had a vaccination have autism? If it’s the mercury that’s causing it, shouldn’t at least most if not all those kids have it (including you and your spouse)?
How long did it take for you to find a doctor who agreed with your recommended “cure”? It doesn’t sound like this is something you really consulted a medical professional about at all - you just made up your mind what had happened and went to find someone to agree with you. Is that the case? How did you come by this information?
How can you ever know for sure if it was the mercury if you never had him tested in the first place and fail to continue to have him tested to see if those levels are going down?
[QUOTE=LavenderBlue]
Worse still. Home administered chelation.
:eek:
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Is that as dangerous as it sounds? I’ll be honest and admit that all I know about chelation therapy is for iron overload and that the trick there is coming up with orally-active chelators, as the only real treatment now is subcutaneous administration of desferrioxamine B. Damn it LavenderBlue, I’m a chemist, not a doctor. My interest is on the synthetic end. But I can tell you for sure that that treatment, at least, is real medicine and not quackery.
I still want to hear foresam defend using a non-approved chelation treatment with a non-approved chelator. We won’t, of course.
A little tour, via Google, around the web shows that fore sam has been making dubious claims about mercury, autism and ADD and being asked for evidence for years. Nobody else has seemed to make a dent in his stupidity - I doubt we’ll be able to do any good here.
If he directed even half his energy towards getting his son reasonable treatment that he commits to spewing bullshit all over the web, his son might have made more improvement by now.
Of course, I’ve never heard an actual parent of an autistic person refer to their child as a vegetable before. Who knows - maybe it’s something that occurs among the extreme crazy groups. Maybe it’s a distancing technique, along with spending all of one’s time for years on the web.
Hentor the Barbarian, in your travels through Google did you find anything to indicate a child actually exists? Is this person just out for attention? I really find it hard to believe a parent would subject their child to a controversial treatment without even bothering to test for the condition being treated. I hope that even a doctor who whould support such treatment would insist on testing to prove the condition exists.
On the other hand, perhaps we should find his ideas fascinating and subscribe to his newsletter…
(The more time he spends here amusing us with his special kind of crazy, the less time he’ll spend out on other parts of the internet where they don’t understand the idea of significant sample size and statistical correlation - think of it as a public service).
The only time the kids been mentioned in a personal way, was Foresam’s description of the child spreading faeces and screaming.
The extreme fatigue associated with Chelation therapy would reduce that behavour.
It’s not a cure, but it could seem like progress.
“No pain, no gain.” on the surface, callous and sick. But isn’t that what we all felt as we held our children still while they had painful injections? If you simply refused to see the benefits, wouldn’t it look like we were putting viruses into our children - to help them? If you refused to understand the science, wouldn’t that seem crazy?
Wouldn’t we all feel an overwhelming need to justify ourselves if *we *poured poison into our kids 3 times a week? If we had such an extreme regimen of stripping out required nutrients and replacing them - three times a week?
I feel sad for the kid. I feel sad for Foresam.
But it’s definitely more kinds of crazy than I care to deal with anymore.
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Children are not damaged from vaccination.
The only question one need ask of you is if you realize how pathetically little you know.
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How pathetically little you know when you can claim that “Children are not damaged from vaccination”. Why doesn’t Doctor Hentor the Barbarian shed light on your ignorance, and call you “a fucking moron”?
[QUOTE=Hentor the Barbarian]
You’re a fucking moron.
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Doctor Hentor the Barbarian,
Instead of abusing the father of a young man with severe autism, how about you respond here to my message on the other thread ?
As a doctor and a clinician, do you diagnose toddlers and young children with ASDs? If you do, why do you have no problem differentiating between ADHD and an ASD in the younger child, whereas other clinicians obviously do?
I didn’t say it was. But knowing of several toddlers diagnosed with Aspergers Syndrome, and having met IRL teens recently diagnosed with Aspergers who are fashion conscious and have boyfriends, girlfriends, and social lives, and even have good eye-contact, something is going on. They are not in the least bit disabled. You, personally, might not be diagnosing these individuals, Dr Hentor the Barbarian, but someone is.
It would seem to me that an ASD diagnosis gets kids “services” but an ADHD diagnosis does not.
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Funny thing, some poster, I forget who, wondered if the reason for continued increases in autism after thimerosal’s removal was better screening but seems not to accept that as a potential explanation for increases before then.
The illogic tires one out.
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It certainly tires me out. When I said that the continued increase in autism was due to the introduction of screening in 2000, you responded with, “That statement is a complete crock”
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I have seen all of these nearly mastered by vaccination programs and I have seen that success threatened by strident and idiotic idealogues like you. I spend an inordinate amount of my time each day undoing the damage wrought by Oprah’s quest for a good ratings boost and Jenna’ McCarthy’s well manicured finger pointing in an undeserved direction.
I have no doubt that you are as true a believer as anyone who ever drank Kool-Ade or stayed on in the Waco compound. And your foaming at the mouth lunacy is much better to have out there than Oprah’s reasonable “…some people think …” tripe. Your arguments are like pustules: easy to pop but you still have to deal with wiping up the mess. Still, most will just avoid being around those as purulent as you so you cause little harm. Its the better packaged crap that really makes achieving the best possible public health stink.
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And this is the crux of the matter. You as a medical professional are playing your part in protecting the Immunisation Programme. You have a mission.
Don’t tell me that you don’t know that children are damaged by vaccines.
