I see you are from England.
What is your take on how the English and Europe in general are seeing this?
How could you possibly get that from a post where I praise Shia Temporary Marriage ?
Most people in the West feel that divorce in Islam is as simple as the man clapping his hands and proclaiming “I divorce you.” three times.
However divorce in Islam, as with the more religious jews, has always been easier for men than women.
This is bullshit propaganda promoted by the Eurabia/Eurarabia crowd and those of similar disdain for facts.
It has already been shown to be false in multiple posts on this board and continuing to promote it is just silly xenophobia. The vast majority of Muslim immigrants to Europe have been assimilating to European mores and claims that they refuse to do so are inventions of xenophobes that are not supported by facts.
Of course, this seems to only survive among some Twelver Shi’a, and even then is associated with prostitution. I’m not saying it’s a bad idea, just that the typical Muslim tough isn’t likely to be any more acquainted with that practice than the typical Christian tough.
Muslim or Christian, it seems like some men will go against their religion to rape women with little provocation.
Few people would deny that military culture has serious problems with it, including mistreatment of women. However, military culture is not a representative subset of western society.
The military, of course, is almost exclusively a boys-only club, particularly for combat roles. That there is great misogyny is unacceptable but also unsurprising given its makeup. That you need to look to the military for incidents similar to those of Cologne is rather telling, I think.
It was leaked. A number of men were arrested in Helsinki. And while I can’t point to an online source, it may be of interest that a Finnish-speaking friend informs me that they were arrested for planning a crime, and the police were informed by people working in the refugee center who spoke Arabic and overheard them.
Aaaaand the Whataboutism gets of to a running start.
Running start?
Heck, that is an essential vitamin around these here parts (on all sides).
I don’t actually speak French, but I can suss that out enough to agree. 
And I don’t know where Rune got “Køln.” Probably some silly faux-Scandanavian spelling where you slash the “o” because it looks more heavy metal. 
German, an abomination among languages (four years in high school; didn’t learn a thing :(), is bad enough with “Köln.”
It seems like the majority of these Muslim majority countries do have something in common, namely that a huge proportion of their inhabitants want to get the fuck out of their shitty ass countries. These apologists who try and justify this behavior by saying how horrible the Western World is ignore this glaring reality that is staring them in the face, if the West is really so fucking awful and comparable in their morality, crimes, and horrors why are so many people willing to die in a shitty raft in the middle of the ocean to get the hell out?
Pamela Gellar? You actually offered that hate hag as a citation?
You do realize that marital rape wasn’t illegal at all in all 50 states until 1993, right? (Oklahoma and North Carolina withdrew their exemptions for marital rape in 1993, the last states to do so.)
Breitfart “News” was mentioned somewhere above, as well.
Ramira–you’ve contradicted yourself. Sure, there are liberal places in the muslim world, where woman wear short sleeves and demand their rights.
But that is irrelevant to the problem in Germany.
And how many refugees are dressed like those pictures? How many refugees from Casablanca and Tunis are flooding into Germany right now?
All the pics I’ve seen of the refugees show women wearing head scarves. (And yes, I know that a hajib is not a burqa). But it does hint that the cultural values they bring with them are very different than the values of German society they wish to join.
actually when I think of Tunis I think of the tourists on the beach.
It’s a bit presumptive that statement, don’t you think?
Of course, but the legacy of that will remain for generations, it will affect European policy greatly, it will disadvantage alot of genuine people. Hence why it is by definition absolutely not a ‘passing problem’
In England there’s been criticism that the BBC allegedly downplayed the ethnicity of the perpetrators, and of the slow reporting of the incident.
It’s also a huge propaganda victory for the far right, and the narrative will be written as ‘See how we welcomed these people in, and they first bomb us, and then try to attack our women and steal from us all within one year’ It’s sad.
Seconded.
That sort of statement is NOT intended as a “comfort”. It’s keeping things in perspective.
Your phrasing implies that somehow acknowledging that other people have had other horrific things happen to them somehow diminishes the trauma of a what a woman raped in Cologne experienced. It doesn’t.
If I break my arm saying that person over there got burns over 50% of his body does not reduce the seriousness of my injury, or my pain. It just says that I was not the mostly seriously injured. Is that a “comfort”? Maybe to some. But not to others. What of it? It’s not a game where you compare “injury points”.
The statistics say Ramira is correct - a woman is less likely to be raped or murdered in Germany than in the US. Even if US women can defend themselves apparently they aren’t doing so, or at least not effectively.
Guns would not have solved the problem in Cologne, a situation where you have multiple attackers on each victim in a dense crowd. Either the victims would have had their guns taken away from them (resulting in armed attackers) or by firing would have certainly hit someone, turning this into a mass casualty situation. How would that have been better?
Guns are not magic wands. They have limitations.
It’s says something rather unpleasant about you that you assume that because Ramira is Muslim she is also Arab. Only 15-20% of Muslims world-wide are Arab
OK, here’s one that’s not military, which you obviously missed the prior time I posted it in this thread: New York City, June 11, 2000
You mean… like people fleeing Cuba on rafts and inner tubes?
You know what - criminals want a better life, too. Why is it so puzzling to you that even if most of the refugees are good, law-abiding people there aren’t a few bad guys in the mix?
And it’s not saying “the west is so horrible”, it’s saying that similar things go on in the west and no one gives a damn until it’s the damn dirty foreigners stealing their women. It’s deplorable that both something like what happened in the NYC in 2000 gets almost no press, and it’s deplorable that what happened in Cologne gets a dose of bigotry on top of it.
Obviously. And do you think by reducing that country and all of its people to this incident you are doing them justice? Is that shooter more representative of Tunisians today than the people in Ramira’s photos? Or is that simply the direction you *prefer *to look, because it is more in line with your own world view?
How about both of them being representative?
I don’t think he’s implying that’s representative of all Tunisians.