Okay, car accidents, seriously. WHAT the HELL?

Saturday evening, my sister called in distress. While driving with our mother through construction traffic, she had to brake hard in slowing traffic. She stopped in time–the car behind them did not. My sister and mother walked away stiff and sore, but essentially unharmed. However, more than $10,000 in damage was done to Mom’s car, and it will be in the shop at least 3 1/2 weeks. The driver of the other car was unhurt, though his car was likely totalled.

Wednesday (yesterday), my other sister (2,000 miles away) was driving her 15yro son home, stopped at a red light to make a right turn. She was rear-ended, and as she had been looking over her shoulder to check oncoming traffic to make the turn, apparently separated her shoulder in the impact. Her son had to pull the van over, as she couldn’t move. We’re waiting to hear if there is a fracture, or if her rotator cuff was torn.

My sister joked I was next. I told my mom we were going to hide out inside all day, although that risked a car crashing into the house. :rolleyes:

This has the least personal connection to me, but it did have an impact–Monday evening, a friendly acquaintance from college named Wendy was driving a group of high school cross country kids. An SUV on the opposite side of the road drifted onto the shoulder, overcorrected, shot across the freeway, over the median, and on top of the van Wendy was driving. She was killed, as were at least two people in the SUV.

In all three of these accidents, none of the parties I was connected to were at fault, and none of them could have done anything about it. UGH.

Forget the clown…can’t sleep, cars will eat me…

There was a major accident in the metro area here last week - semi w/o trailer, pickup and 2 school buses. 2 people died - a high school student and the son of a politician.

Also just seems like every time I get on the highway there’s an accident, and even though it may be my bias, it seems like there have just been a LOT of car accidents lately.

I really think people take driving for granted. It’s a perfectly routine activity but also can be deadly. Yeah everything can be deadly but not everything you do involves tons of steel and speed. But then you see people driving 20+ over the limit, flying across a whole highway of traffic, cutting people off, and generally acting like dickheads and putting others in danger. I’m not a perfect driver by any means but I at least attempt to follow the rules and drive defensively. And damn do I see SO MANY people texting! I’ve done it - and it makes driving a hell of a lot harder, so I stopped.

My daughter’s principal was killed in this crash just last night. He was driving the vehicle in the top photo (scroll down). DD just started high school three days ago, so she hadn’t really had time to get to know him, but just before she left school yesterday, he told her, “See you tomorrow!” She told me about it this afternoon as she sobbed in my arms, mourning the fact that she would see him no more. All in all, it’s been a pretty tough day for everyone here.

Sorry about your family and friends… but, umm… it actually sounds like while none of the drivers were at fault, all of them could have prevented being involved in the accident

  1. start slowing down early, and look in the mirror to see if the guy behind you is slowing down.
  2. keep one eye on the mirror when stopped on the road, in case the guy behind you doesn’t slow down.
  3. watch what other people are doing in case they do something stupid (which they will)

The problem is lack of emphasis on defensive driving when learning to drive… and bad habits learned since then; like… break-light driving, where you’re looking at the car in front of you and reacting to his breaking instead of the situation that caused him to break. You see a semi merging half a mile ahead of you… you already know people are going to be breaking and changing lanes because of that, there’s no need to wait for the guy in front of you to hit the breaks when you know he’s bound to do it… and even if he’s not, you’re not losing anything by slowing down slightly. What’s in front of you isn’t as important as what’s going to be in front of you. The key is always to assume other people are complete morons, and are going to crash into you if you give them the chance.

Try being a motorcyclist and reading about stuff like this all the time. It’s scary. Getting into a car seems rather safe in comparison.

I sympathize, there was a two year period where I was involved in no fewer than seven car accidents, none of them my fault, but it was starting to feel personal.

what, exactly had I done to the automobiles of the world to make them so angry?

Please pass my condolences to your daughter. :frowning:

I’ve been an auto insurance claim rep for nearly 10 years. Here’s to hoping those around you have better luck from now on.

As a “disinterested” 3rd party in every case, I still have a hard time with injured kids. Fatalities are still very hard. And dead kids usually end up sending me home for the day.

In almost every case I see I have to agree with GHO57 (apart from mixing up break & brake :slight_smile: ), While one driver is usually definitely at fault, there is often something the other driver could have done differently that would have prevented an accident. Defensive driving is unsatisfying because if you do it right you seldom see it work for you, you simply are one of those people who don’t get into accidents.

That’s terrible, Ruffian. I live in fear of the same, they say everyone who drives will eventually have an accident, and who knows when that time will come?

Is it because there are more cars on the road that there are so many accidents? Are drivers just more careless? Is it cell phones and god forbid texting? The police blotter is stuffed with reports of people driving without licenses. Five times this summer, drivers have crashed into building or houses.

There were three - three - separate accidents on one stretch of country road on the same day, one of them fatal, and one where a car exploded into flames. This is a two lane blacktop going through beautiful cornfields and little villages, but it’s all hills. Any enjoyment derived from taking in the view is cancelled out by that f’ing HUGE truck right on your ass at 55 MPH. I often feel “pursued” by idiots who are not held in check by traffic lights.

Not always. My most recent? Stop and go traffic into a merge left into a highway. I ease forward, I slowly stop, leaving a respectable for NY gap.

Guy behind me sees a slot in traffic, decides he has space to go for it, hauls the wheel left, floors it. Almost entirely misses my rear bumper. Almost. Got the left two headlights of his Mercedes under my car. I was at a dead stop with six feet separating me from the car ahead.
My favorite of my parents? Stopped at a tollbooth, paying fare, pre-EZ-Pass. Person behind them in a minivan mistakes the gas and the brake. Stuffs the nose of the van under the jeep.

I’ve had accidents that were partially to entirely my fault, but I have no idea how we could have avoided either of those.

In re texting. You want bad? Cop in cop car driving while texting, yesterday. Tried to take a photo of that to report it, couldn’t get my phone up in time.

I am a believer in defensive driving, but I am dubious that it is easy to avoid an accident in which you are stopped in traffic and someone rear-ends you, as has been claimed up-thread. For one thing, if I’m watching my rear-view mirror to see if someone’s coming up too quickly, then I’m not watching traffic. And more importantly, there have been times that I’ve actually thought, “Whoa, that guy is coming at me too quickly,” but then he came to a stop normally behind me. It is really hard, IMO, to judge the distance and speed of an oncoming car from watching it in your rear-view mirror.

Not to be dense, but, well, this is a pretty ridiculous series of observations.

Accident 1: The driver was being defensive. She was slowing down to a stop because of slowed-down traffic ahead. The driver behind her was not. Driver 1 had absolutely no way of avoiding getting hit, short of having the ability to teleport her car elsewhere.
Accident 2: Ditto. The driver was doing the right thing. She had zero control over the idiot barreling up behind her, and no chance to avoid him short of making a sudden move into another lane or making a sudden turn onto the other street, either of which would have endangered them (and possibly others) MORE than the original scenario.
Accident 3: Ditto. Had the driver swerved to avoid the car coming in the opposite direction, she might well have rolled her own vehicle, killing everyone in side, or driven it into other cars, killing her entire carload plus one or two others.

Unfortunately, this is not the Pit so I can’t say much more about your logic than that. :rolleyes:

My favourite "okay, there is no way I’m at fault’ accident was when my beater has crushed - while parked in my driveway.

What happened was this: our driveway ajoined our neighbour’s double-wide driveway, and the local schoolbus (unknown to me) got in the habit of using that spot to turn around in. The driver got a little too close to our car that time …

The best part? No-one was hurt, and we actually made some cash out of it … the insurers decided our car was a write-off in that, if they took it to their mechanics, it would cost more to fix than it was worth. So they paid us the value of the car. We bought the car back at the scrap rate, took it to local Joe the mechanic, who fixed it for less than the car costs. It lasted another two years before finally giving up the ghost and driving on to car heaven.

I think his defensive driving observations are correct, If I look in my rearview and see that someone is not slowing down behind me, I can pump my brake lights to catch his attention, and immediately look for an escape route around me.( i used to ride motorcycles this is what you learn to do) I sure as shit wouldnt just sit there waiting for impact!
There was a terrible accident here a few years ago, wrong way driver slams headon into cars, traffic mess ensues, freeway is at a standstill. Another driver comes up the scene to fast to stop. A driver at the end of the traffic line notices this car racing toward his bumper and takes action. he jumped lanes into the shoulder right quick and avoided having his family killed. Unfortunately the car in front of his did get impacted from behind and the young couple was killed. The man who made the evasive action saved his family but he had no control over the driver who barrled into stopped traffic from behind.
Don’t be a sitting duck.

Really?

  1. By starting the breaking procedure earlier… you can see if the guy behind you is slowing down or not. If he’s not, you can still at least minimize the impact by speeding up, if not outright avoid it. Letting the guy behind you get close enough in the first place shows there wasn’t enough attention on the mirror.

  2. If you know you’re about to be hit, at least you can orient yourself to take advantage of the security features in a modern car. Getting hit while your head is turned might in the worst case snap your neck, getting hit while sitting straight the chances are much better to escape injury. Also, managing to get your car moving… even if you move it by just a foot before it’s hit it will eat away some of he impact energy. Besides, if you look at what OP said, her injury was a direct result of not being aware of danger.

  3. Had the driver swerved to avoid the car coming in the opposite direction, she might well have rolled her own vehicle,” seriously? You’d rather get hit head on by an SUV than possibly roll your car? Seriously? :smack:

Yet another example why high speed pursuits unless it involves a murder is unnecessary. Since they mention the idiot who was being chased was involved in a domestic dispute then the police already know who he is. Why continue the chase? Issue a warrant and get his ass later… he’s 9/10 not going anywhere. I refuse to do it unless its clearly and aggravated offense. I can’t justify to that Principal’s wife that my involvement was worth his life…

And the police say proper protocol was followed, why can’t the cops ever admit they screwed up, what a terrible terrible outcome - grrrr…

No they are not. A few weeks ago I had to come to a hard stop because of a traffic snarl on the highway, and I saw that a big semi behind me wasn’t going to be able to stop. Even though I was already stopped, I managed to move a few feet ahead and a few feet to the right.

Had the truck driver just barreled straight ahead, he would have hit me anyway. But he headed for the median strip to the left, and juuussst barely missed my left rear bumper. He would have hit me had I not moved.

Well, their protocols likely included the use of high speed pursuit in this instance, which would mean they were followed. Not all departments have adopted the “no high speed pursuit” protocol (or a variant thereof).

The news is now reporting that the police car had in fact backed off before the crash.