Not just nazis, but white supremacists in general. Tim McVeigh, for example. And all the lynchings and Civil Rights murders of the 20th century. And a lot more since then. Yes, they have done far, far more damage to the US even in recent years than communists.
That’s like saying that cops are a violent group, because some of their members committed acts of violence.
What’s ridiculous is your constant need to defend nazi at all costs.
Heh. Trevor Noah called them “Vegan ISIS”.
That’s really decent of you to acknowledge reality.
…Said the guy who posts anonymously on a message board.
What’s ridiculous is how stupid and dishonest you are.
The same idiots were the catalysts for riots at the G20 summit in Toronto in 2010.
At the time, I would guess not one single person in this thread had heard of the name “Antifa.”
Antifa, in North America, is basically some disconnected Facebook pages; it isn’t really an organization. When the usual troublemakers show up at demonstrations now, they call themselves “Antifa” because the same sounds cool. Five years ago they called themselves the “Black Bloc.” Five years from now there will be some other name.
That’s what a nazi defender would say.
Doesn’t matter if they’ve been around for one day, one year, or one hundred years; or if they are a loosely connected bunch of crackpots or a well organized cabal. If they are advocating violence (and actually using it) against a group of people, even if they consider “these people” to be a threat to the American way of life, then they are guilty of using the same tactics that we find so offensive in groups like the KKK and are therefore on the same moral ground. Just because you find them less offensive and less pervasive than other hate organizations doesn’t make them any less a hate organization. And make no mistake, the people calling themselves antifa are advocating violence and actually using it.
If you (or anyone else) thinks that adding another hate group to the (sadly) growing list of hate groups takes anything away from monsterishness of any other group, then you really don’t understand what is going on.
mc
(yes I said “monsterishness”)
Wow.
“Hate group”, huh?
Remind me again: how many people are born fascists?
ETA: Your attempt to draw moral equivalence fails mightily, as it would have us “admit” that we were no better than the Nazis in WW2 since we used violence against them.
Only after the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor!
there is a distinction between acts of state and individual acts
This a discussion for another thread, but yeah, I consider all war to be hate crimes.
mc
And you make the point that I think a lot on the left are more tolerant of antifa because of the credo “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” but I would say. if you use my enemies tactics (even against my enemy) you are no friend of mine!
mc
Ah, another “if I redefine words, they mean just what I say!” kinda guy. :rolleyes:
No; I don’t make that point at all. You make your own point. For fuck’s sake, is this evidence of how your brain works and what you consider “logical” thought? And your point, by the way, is dumb-as-hell projection.
Yes, I did use the word hate group liberally as "ideolog’y is currently not on the above list, but that list is an evolving one and doesn’t mean it can’t be added to. I don’t think I redefined anything by saying that they should be considered a hate group. and isn’t that part of what this thread is asking us to consider?
I can only assume that the reason people are saying that violence against nazis is not the same as violence against anyone is because they feel that violence against nazis is justified.
If you are not making that point fair enough, but others in this thread and elsewhere seem to be making it.
mc
Yeah all these Nazi sympathizers and wannabe KKKers should get back to us when “antifa” starts building camps with ovens, or sneaking around at night lynching people for their skin color, or running people down with cars.
As for WW2, I fully accept my family’s “guilt” in killing Nazis during the war as Allied soldiers. Too bad they didn’t kill even more.
So it was bad to fight Hitler with guns and planes and tanks and stuff. Got it. :smack:
Well good news: Antifa (whatever it is and whoever its membership are deemed to be) are now possibly “terrorists” according to the feds.
But armed militia men? Sheriffs who believe that they actually have more supremacy than the constitution? Not so much.
The FBI does not make public its list of domestic groups it views as ones likely to commit terror acts, so you really have no way of knowing which groups are or are not on the list. It would not surprise me if Antifa is now “on the list”, but that is not to say that right wing extremist groups that advocate violence are not “on the list”. But note, from your own cite:
Personally I can’t stand antifa. My concern isn’t so much putting them on a watch list, which seems fair to a degree. The problem is that I could see Jeff Sessions and other conservatives at the local level using a push on antifa to go after anti-Trump protesters more broadly the way Nixon tried to.
Calling “Antifa” “terrorists” does seem to open the door to calling anybody with anti-fascist tendencies a “terrorist sympathizer”. Do we really want this?