No u.
This is how it started: Someone objected to including “mass murder”, specifically, in the list of atrocities given by Blank Slate citing mass murder from the 19th century, to which he objected with a reply of:
“Gimme a Dylann Roof or Timothy McVeigh example in modern America.”
Those guys are mass murderers with right wing views. I gave him an example of a mass murderer with political views similar to Antifa.
Maybe we are just reading Blank Slate’s point differently.
I was focused on the part of Blank Slate’s post saying, “The oppression of minorities by white supremacists has resonance in the US because it happened in an institutional and organized fashion.”
Guessing that that video is from Britain, from the accents?
I can’t tell from the context why this lone free speech advocate is getting heckled. His message, context-free, is inoffensive.
Is he being heckled simply for taking a free-speech position? Is there something more going on?
I can’t tell, from the video, but maybe more observant observers can…
But that was after I answered his question and he got all agitated about my answer. Like I said, it’s not my fault if he asked the wrong question. Further, if I put these three folks out there in a three about today’s fringe politics, which one doesn’t belong:
Dylan Roof
Ted Kaczynski (aka, Unibomber)
David Berkowitz (aka, Son of Sam)
My sister was always outraged when I didn’t even touch her. My finger clearly had at least an inch gap from her face and I clearly communicated that I wasn’t touching her over and over again!
I’d totally argue that Dylann [sic, it’s apparently how he spells it] Roof doesn’t belong, because he’s the only one who’s even arguably part of “today’s fringe politics.”
This. They go for the sole purpose of starting a riot.
Totally curious about your non-cherry-picked take on the questions at hand.
Are most of us on both sides “statists?” “Demotists?”
And how do you, an as-I-understand-it pretty-radical-libertarian, feel about the conflict between full-on anarchists and full-on Nazis, when they’re brawling in the streets? Which side are you ON?
Yeah definitely, London most likely. No idea about the context though.
Real cute.
Sort of like an older and more famous false flag “book”, “the Protocols of the Elders of Zion” or "The Protocols of the Meetings of the Learned Elders of Zion "
A phony book, written as a false flag “proof” of
make believe bad people planning make believe bad things.
And North Korea is the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea. They must be a representative democracy. It’s right in their name after all.
I think it’s safe to say that Antifa’s definition of “fascist” goes a bit beyond Mussolini.
I’ll tell you a true story about “false-flag” operations. Back in '04 Michigan had an anti-gay marriage initiative on the ballot. (Republicans in many states got these on the ballots as a way of boosting turnout which, they figured, would help them across the board.) I got a robo-call, supposedly from the Michigan Democratic Party, urging a “NO” vote I don’t remember the rest of the verbiage, but it was calculated to alienate “swing” voters. But they made one mistake. The voice used the line: “Fairness is a major Democrat value.” NO actual Democrat would say that, they’d say “Democratic”. I knew the call was fake and a deliberate deception.
So, yeah, this stuff happens. I haven’t been a virgin for some time and I wouldn’t ever say that there aren’t elements of my own party that could do something like this, either. But the frequency with which righties make the false-flag accusation tells me something about how their thought processes work and my dad taught me that those who mistrust most should be trusted least.
Just a few Google results.
Marshall County Democrat Party
…tents set with information to promote our democrat values and our presidential primary candidates.
Ms. Debbie Lange was a host of that program, and the inspiration in beginning again to promote our Democrat values over the airways.
Adaher is talking about communism. A lot of the Antifa people are Marxists. Communism has killed more people by far than fascism or any other ideology.
Nevertheless, the calls WERE fake.
Perhaps I should say no TRUE Democrat would say that!
No, that’s not what they stood and stand for, it’s an anti-capitalistic, pro-communist organization with a revolutionary agenda:
[“The organization was initially part of the Soviet Union’s front operations to bring about communist dictatorship in Germany, and it worked to label all rival parties as “fascist.””
The 2016 annual report by Germany’s domestic intelligence service, the Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution (BfV), notes the same point: From the viewpoint of the “left-wing extremist,” the label of “fascism” as pushed by Antifa often does not refer to actual fascism, but is merely a label assigned to “capitalism.”
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They argue that the capitalist state produces fascism, or at least tolerates it. Therefore, anti-fascism is directed not only against actual or supposed right-wing extremists, but also always against the state and its representatives, in particular members of the security authorities,” it states.](http://archive.is/DfJ7Z#selection-1895.0-1905.268)
And how did that work out in pre-Nazi Germany?
I agree that those who use militarized violence are very bad, and I stand against them as well. I can understand a small bit of violence (shoving, hitting) when tempers are high, even though I don’t condone it. But this is beyond that. It is bad.
That said, I don’t think it fits to lump them in with racists. Those Nazis that did this were horrible, too. But their underlying ideology is worse, I think. Basically, they have racism on top of all the other bad things these Black Block or whatever people had.
So they still are at least somewhat better. But I still completely condemn them. Maybe such tactics might be appropriate in an actual fascist dictatorship, as a form of revolution. But were aren’t there yet.
Still, I wholeheartedly condemn those who came with the full intent of wanton violence. I condemn those who come with weapons and the intent to start shit. The side you are on doesn’t matter.
About like you might expect. Got to court, and the criminal coddling judges weren’t working that day.