Olympic Boxing Gender Controversy

Caster Semanya being a famous example (also an African woman of color :neutral_face: ). My point is if the gender critical movement believed what they say they do, they’d be the first ones to call it for the bullshit it is. These are cis women who were assigned female at birth, that by their own alleged standards should be the end of it.

To get credit she has walked back her statements and apologized:

Fair enough, but— unfortunately I did not see the match so I cannot judge what went down— disrespecting your opponent sounds like unsportsmanlike conduct. I mean refusing to shake their hand, win or lose.

Agree, though as I said above, I respect Carini for having now apologized for that unsportsmanlike behavior in the heat of the moment in the ring.

Here’s NPR’s coverage:

These two paragraphs stood out to me:

On Friday, [IOC] spokesperson [Mark] Adams reminded reporters that the IOC stopped blanket sex testing in 1999, and that “even if there were a sex test that everyone agreed with, I don’t think anyone wants to see a return to some of the scenes.” He acknowledged that the situation has become a minefield.

“And unfortunately, as with all minefields, we want a simple explanation,” he added. “Everyone wants a black-and-white explanation of how we can determine this. That explanation does not exist, neither in the scientific community, nor anywhere else.”

(I know; see post #27.) :+1:

That’s a good question, and one that doesn’t have a single official answer.

The IOC largely (but not absolutely) allows regulatory bodies for individual sports to set their own standards.

So, for example, FIFA will set the rules for association football (soccer as we call it), the International Tennis Federation for tennis, and other organizations for their respective sports.

Most of those have spent the last several years determining their own rules and/or revising them as issues crop up. For sports with major professional money involved, the appearance of propriety is very important, and things generally have gone more or less smoothly.

But international boxing under the IBA was, unfortunately, a corrupt shitshow. As above, when you’re too corrupt compared to the IOC or FIFA, things are really bad.

Until recently, the IBA was the designated regulatory agency for Olympic boxing. But, as the IOC found, that whole mess needed to go, so until a new regulatory agency is approved, the IOC decided to go with the rules from back in 2016 to establish gender for purposes of qualification for boxing.

ETA: by the way, for boxing the IOC establishes this by the gender listed on the passport. And Algeria isn’t exactly friendly to the notion of transgenderism

Yeah. I read an expose of Gender Critical parenting threads on social media—basically, self-organizing support groups for parents seeking to deny and undermine their (minor or adult) children’s efforts to gender transition—and they’re all about slogans like “No child is born in the wrong body” and “Parents know their kids”, and you shouldn’t turn to transgender identity as an “escape” from being gay or gender-nonconforming, and questioning your birth-assigned gender just means you’re having mental problems or being seduced by the “trans cult”, and so on and so on and so on.

Except, apparently, when the person in question is somebody assigned female at birth and living happily in a female identity, whom THEY don’t consider “sufficiently” female. Oh no, then we don’t have to acknowledge her natural birth-assigned gender, or celebrate her gender nonconformity, or trust her parents to make the right choices for their daughter, or anything like that. Then we get to call her a “male” and use he/him pronouns for her and assert that her “real” gender is something different from what the female anatomy of her natural-born body indicates.

Ultimately, it’s all just sexist gender norm policing dressed up in trendier clothes, with a (very thin) veneer of openmindedness about sexual orientation and gender nonconformity.

Can you call her Horshack?

By the way, Lin Yu-ting also won her first Paris Olympics bout today.

The right-wingnut Daily Mail reacts predictably.

Or, if you want to get even more old-school and broader in scope, labeling certain people and kinds of people as “freaks” who should not get to share in the lives of “normal people”.

I’ve never stopped lamenting the near-total disappearance of the famous Tea Party sign that read

Government! Keep your hands off my Medicare!

I’m eagerly awaiting its modern-day replacement:

Imane Khelif is about as female as Kamala Harris is black!

Apropos of which, the “Olym-PICS” element of this controversy is being exploited out the wazoo.

Look at all the pictures of Lin and Khelif being foregrounded in that above-linked Daily Fail article, and in most of the shit-stirring clickbait sites. They are assiduously promoting all the most “unfeminine-looking” candid photos of those two athletes that they can find.

It’s about getting viewers to believe that “obviously” this athlete “must be a man”. Moral: if you’re a female boxer with a flattish chest and strongly prominent features, a short haircut is the third strike as far as public opinion is concerned. (I’m surprised they haven’t been after China’s Yang Chengyu yet.)

“Feminist”, my ass.

Since Rowling is so concerned about the safety of women and girls, I’m sure she has been equally vociferous about convicted child rapist Steven van de Velde representing the Netherlands in beach volleyball.

Khelif gets the honor of having at least three different billionaires bully her on social media.

As others have pointed out when IBA is corrupt compared to FIFA and the IOC that’s like when Pete Tosh was thrown out of the Wailers for smoking too much dope :wink:

For a reasoned, rational take on this controversy, go no further than Dr. Paul Alexander, who Wikipedia calls a “Canadian independent scientist”. Alexander gained notoriety during his tenure as an adviser with Trump’s Dept. of Health and Human Services, where he helped intimidate and censor CDC scientists whose advisories on Covid-19 conflicted with Trump administration messaging.

In a Substack post today, Alexander seems a bit…disturbed over the Olympic boxing brouhaha, which feeds his venom toward any persons (including transgender individuals) who don’t meet his standard of womanhood.

I’m not linking directly to the article, but Alexander’s Substack index is full of the sort of unhinged bellowing that will probably put him on the short list to be the next HHS Secretary if Trump wins election.

Acknowledging this embarrassing mistake about the Bulgarian boxer’s name: I got the info from a Taiwan News article online, which not unreasonably follows the usual East Asian nomenclature convention of putting the surname first, so I missed the fact that this boxer’s surname is Staneva, not Kamenova.

Svetlana Staneva and Lin Yu-ting will meet in a quarterfinal bout this Sunday, which AFAICT will be their first rematch since Lin beat Staneva for the bronze medal in the 2023 world championships, which was then awarded to Staneva upon Lin’s disqualification.

Should be interesting. Not that I plan to watch it myself—I’m not a big fan of the really ouchy kinds of combat sports—but whatever the outcome, should be interesting.

Ah yes, Islamists, who are well-known for their tolerance of gender-nonconforming people.

They just can’t stop being weird, can they?