This is real easy to find. It’s a video of Thunderf00t literally quoting and criticizing her thesis. Thunderf00t’s videos also don’t really get into character attacks but tend to focus on inconsistencies in his target’s reasoning. I’ve watched a few of his videos on feminism and I watched his entire series rebutting creationism. I’m quite familiar with his technique which is nothing like your describing.
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We never got around to it, but her rebuttal videos can be found in the same place Anita’s are. There is also this, which is links upon links. And btw I never referred to her as a man hater but I still stand by the fact that’s she’s nuts.
…no, masculinity is not the problem. She is refering to “toxic masculinity”. She didn’t say masculinity is toxic.
Of all the gamergate talking points, I think that this one was always the most lame. Last year I wasn’t a “gamer.” I had no money, had no games, had no interest in playing games, and if you had asked me I would have replied “I am not a gamer”. This morning I bought and downloaded seven games off steam and look forward to playing them this evening. Unimportant things like “am I a gamer or am I not?” are really not a great metric to judge another person on.
Everyone, watch this video. Stating that Thunderf00t’s videos don’t really get into character attacks is the most laughable claim I think I have ever heard. The entire video series is a succession of character attacks and strawman arguments and it barely touches on her thesis at all.
I didn’t know “Toxic Masculinity” was a ‘thing’ on “Geek Feminism Wiki”.
As far as being a “gamer” is concerned… I never thought about whether or not you can become one over night. Being a gamer isn’t a great metric to judge a person on, but I think it’s relevant given what she does. For the better or for the worse, I would like to know if she’s a gamer or not.
Why would I think she’s batshit crazy? I’m not “pro gamergate”, and I think she got unjustly targeted with hated rather than just criticism.
…“Toxic Masculinity” is a well established principal in feminist circles. You may not have heard of it before. Now you have.
Well I’ve proven you wrong. I was a gamer for a very long time, then I wasn’t a gamer for a while, I’m a gamer again.
Why would you like to know?
She says she is a gamer now. Can’t you just take her word for it? When she said she “wasn’t a gamer”, do you have the whole transcript of the speech for context?
Whether or not she is batshit crazy is the reason her name has been bought up in this thread.
It was an out of context quote from years ago. But regardless she is definitely a gamer now. But banging on about how she’s “not a gamer” is one of GamerGate’s favorite tactics to try to discredit her.
Lest we forget:
We still have yet to see any evidence either of these people are “batshit crazy.”
…the only evidence that has so far been put forward in this thread has been a “quote” that turned out to not be a quote and series of videos produced by someone that appears to be quite “batshit insane.”
Rather than “allowing these videos to speak for themselves” why don’t you show us the evidence yourself instead? Most people don’t have the time to watch 12 minute videos that spend most of their time not getting to the point.
How did you prove me wrong? Can you be a gamer for a long weekend, and then not be a gamer again?
Why would I like to know if she’s a gamer? Um… She’s talking about video games. It’s like knowing if someone who’s writing an article about pot, and it’s negative and/or it’s positive effects, is a stoner or someone who’s never tried the stuff.
I don’t care enough to bother looking up the video where she says she’s not a gamer. I’m sure if I did you would find a way to explain it away.
I just don’t care for your leader. Ok? I’m sorry, but she rubs me the wrong way. I understand that it’s not easy pointing out everything that’s sexist, because in a way, she’s right; “Everything IS sexist.”
I still consider myself a feminist. I don’t think liking Anita Sarkeesian should be a requirement.
That’s true, you have provided “no amount of evidence” and I remain unconvinced. Next time try providing some amount of evidence.
You never established that she wasn’t a gamer, so the whole line of argument just seems like an irrelevant character attack. If you want to criticize Sarkessian, try watching her videos and responding to specific points she makes.
No one said she’s our “leader.” I don’t agree with everything she says but I can at least make specific criticisms of points she’s made rather than “she rubs me the wrong way.” And is “Everything IS sexist” a direct quote? Where is that from?
She says she is a gamer. Is that not enough for you?
But you care enough to assign a value judgement to something she said in the past without bothering to check the context.
My leader? What on earth are you talking about?
Another quote taken completely out of context.
No one claims that liking Anita Sarkeesian is a pre-requisite to being a feminist. But if you aren’t going to like her you should “not like her” for actual valid reasons and not the manufactured talking points that you’ve introduced to this thread.
I never claimed she wasn’t a gamer… she said once that she wasn’t, then said she was. I admitted to not knowing what qualifies a “gamer” to carry that label. It is a character attack, yes.
I guess that’s what I haven’t been able to express. I don’t care for her character. I don’t trust her. I think she would be a lame person to be around. She reminds me of a politician.
The “leader” thing was just me being a dick… she is a “leader” to some. I was being presumptuous that there were people in this thread that were followers of hers. I apologize. Also… I can’t think of more specific examples of her saying things I don’t agree with her on because I never bothered to retain the instances where something she’s said turned me off to her as a commentator.
What are the things she’s said that you don’t agree with?
There’s a video of her saying everything is sexist… unlike the video of her saying she’s not a gamer, I can’t find a video that shows the context of what she was specifically talking about. But if she was indeed claiming that EVERYTHING is sexist, I would have to agree with her.
So an out of context quote from 5 years ago. Like I said. She said she’s “not a fan of games” while discussing specifically violent shooters. Even with all the surrounding context removed it’s clear what she’s saying. Maybe not super nuanced, but it was 5 years ago and she’s done a lot more research since. I don’t see how it would be at all relevant to her current work even if she was saying what her detractors claim that video says.
Your feeling that she’s “a lame person to be around” also seems pretty irrelevant. Who cares? It’s not like you have to hang around with her, and if you don’t like her videos then don’t watch them.
I’ve never heard anyone describe her as a leader, or anything other than the medic critic she presents herself as. Again, agree or disagree with her all you want, but “she bothers me” and “she’s lame” are not very compelling counter arguments.
This tangent is getting further and further from the topic of the thread, so if you really want to have this conversation start a new thread. But it’s pretty clear you don’t really want to discuss Sarkessian’s ideas.
I don’t anymore, (I would casually watch her, and I’ve seen all her video game tropes content,) which is why I don’t recall exactly why she irked me in the first place.
I also don’t think that video was out of context… but if you do, that’s fine. I really should have known that I don’t have the energy or specifics to argue why Sarkeesian gives me bad vibes. I was hoping you would answer my question of what you don’t agree with her on, but you don’t owe me that when I have only provided two examples.
I think when she was speaking at the UN is when I told my buddy I was done with Sarkeesian. But I honestly don’t remember what she said specifically. I think that she was complaining about everyday criticism online in the same vein as death threats and sexual harassment, but I’m not about to look it all up.
I was, however, personally moved by Emma Watson’s speech. I really think she gets that we’re all in this together.
She was making a joke. A self-depreciating joke for goodness sakes.
MyFootsZZZ: it really is disappointing that you haven’t learnt anything after your pit thread about Anita Sarkeesian. These youtube videos where you are getting your information from are feeding you a constant stream of lies and mis-truths. You don’t have to like her and it is pretty obvious that you don’t. But at least get your facts straight.
As I said in my first post in this thread about Sarkeesian: thanks to Gamergate Sarkessian has been put under the microscope more than any other feminist in the world over the last year. They’ve trawled through her videos and her statements and her tweets and her personal life all for the sake of a few LOL’s. Stop falling for their bullshit.
And you’ve done it again. If you aren’t going to look it up then don’t bring it up. Because you’ve got it wrong. Again. But I’m not going to do your work for you though.
Thousands of people speak at the UN every year. I’m not sure why you decided to pay attention to this one particular speech. Oh hold on, you didn’t pay any attention to the speech at all.
I’ve really stopped with YouTube since GamerGate. I’ve seen both sides of the arguments here and there.
I did think I paid attention to the speech.
I’m sorry to say, but I’m starting to think that everyone’s whining. The video game industry’s not going to change over night. I’m a huge Nintendo fan, and know that the Zelda Series introduced a new female character, which Sarkeesian had a problem with. It’s just… I expected she would find it not to be a satisfying addition for her. I predicted it, because I don’t know if anything would please her. I also think GamerGaters are pathetic. There’s NO DOUBT sexism is extreme in games. I would love to see more female developers. I think that nothing but good things could come from a more diverse atmosphere.
It’s not just GamerGate and things of that ilk. I think there’s a lot of people complaining these days. I think it’s subjective of what complaints are justifiable, and what complaints are just people whining about their 3rd world problems. People are getting shot on the street for no reason… and it’s exhausting to, sometimes, nitpick about every little thing that an individual finds offensive. I just, wish people could be happy. I hope Anita’s happy. I just… get depressed at all the strife and want to not expose myself to it as much maybe.
…then you are getting these talking points from somewhere else then. Where are you getting them from? Because they are inaccurate, they are wrong, and you do yourself no justice by repeating them verbatim without bothering to to look it all up.
Of course you didn’t pay attention to the speech. Because you “don’t remember what she said specifically” and you think “that she was complaining about everyday criticism online in the same vein as death threats and sexual harassment.” This is not what her speech to the UN was about. And if you had paid attention you would know this.
Says the guy who just can’t stop whining about Anita Sarkeesian but can’t actually explain what he is whining about.
Of course it isn’t. But you do agree that if the industry is going to change, people have to do something about it yes?
And this angers you? That someone else has an opinion? Anita Sarkeesian has issues with Linkle and this troubles you? Anita thinks that Linkle fits the “Ms. Male Character trope”. Do you disagree? Why?
You should stop trying to figure out what will be “satisfying additions” for people and then getting disappointed when someone else has a different opinion to you. I’m pretty sure Anita had some strong views on Avengers 2. Yet when Joss Whedon dropped off Twitter he said the second person to contact him to see if he was okay was Anita. Criticism is not personal. Anita may have had issues with the Avengers movie and she may have “whined” about it: but both Anita and Joss are adult enough to realize that having a different opinion about something is just a normal thing to do.
You need to ask yourself this question. Why do you have such strong negative feelings about Anita Sarkeesian? I’ll be honest, this sentence you wrote jumped out at me:
“I think when she was speaking at the UN is when I told my buddy I was done with Sarkeesian.”
“Being done” with something or someone implies that this thing or this person was “something important to you” in the first place. But I can’t figure out why she was so important to you that you had a “last straw” moment when she spoke to the UN. Sarkeesian is a media critic who makes videos on youtube. It is very easy to tune her out. You made that pit thread last year. And here you are, a year later, still whining about her. Why is she so important to you?
I think that you need to take a step back and look at yourself before you go and complain about everyone else. Anita not liking Linkle should not be cause for you to be getting depressed. She has an opinion on the internet and if you don’t like her opinion there are a million more you can listen too.
