I don’t remember anybody “lamenting” it. In any case, there are over 300 million people in the US alone. A handful of people “lamenting” it doesn’t make it a feminist priority. Think, instead, of the feminist outrage inspired by Matt Taylor’s shirt, or the alleged wage gap, or the false allegations against the Duke lacrosse team, or mattress girl’s lies. Feminist priorities are what’s good for women - or at least what they think is good for them.
I don’t know if you’ve forgotten, but the topic is “On Feminism.” Are you claiming that **LinusK **is just writing random shit for the hell of it?
So you’re upset that other people don’t share your priorities, and that makes feminism bad?
I’m pretty sure you don’t share my priorities. By your rationale that makes your belief system bad, and you should apologize.
Well, yes, that’s pretty much the whole premise. But don’t forget ignoring rebuttals and evidence, or posting rambling, pseudoscience dissertations. That’s what really lends these threads their charm.
You’re spitting in the wind, but by golly, I like your moxie. 
No, but it’s been a point of contention in this thread that feminists care about issues affecting men and boys as much as they do those for women and girls. Linus may feel (and I think his most recent post supports this) that feminists didn’t cause the problems he listed, but that they also don’t fight as hard to correct them as they have to boost the performance of girls in school.
If **LinusK **cares so much about the performance of boys in school, he should go do something about it. The fact that he spends his free time on the internet complaining about feminists instead of working to alleviate “issues affecting men and boys” means he doesn’t really care that much about the issue at all.
I shouldn’t have to explain this to a grown person, but people have priorities and resource constraints. No one has the time, money, resources, or energy to solve every problem in the world, so they pick the ones that are important to them and focus on those.
I don’t stop by the local homeless shelter to complain that they don’t devote enough resources to solving the problem of infectious diseases affecting the world’s poorest people. If I did, they would look at me like I was fucking stupid, because that would be a fucking stupid thing to do.
Since I do happen to care about the problem of infectious diseases affecting the world’s poorest people, I donate my money to that cause. I don’t get on the internet and whinge about how feminists don’t care enough about infectious diseases, because that would be FUCKING STUPID.
It’s less that feminists “care so much” as much as they are the same issues. Gender inequality cuts both ways, and has harmful effects on everyone.
I’m quite certain that’s true, and haven’t said anything to suggest otherwise.
Isn’t that kinda the point, that feminists have spent their time on the problems that are important to them?
When one gender’s performance has risen during the same time the other’s has fallen, it doesn’t seem to be one issue having harmful effects on everyone. Or at least those things that are changing don’t seem to be helping everyone equally.
If he’s not, I will!
Then you understand why LinusK’s comment was useless. You also know there’s no point in continuing this discussion, because it has nothing to do with feminism?
For all we know, he does do something to improve the performance of boys in school. Or maybe his comment was meant to raise awareness of the problems of boys in schools, and thereby mobilize more people to act on the issue. Was his comment more useless than other awareness-raising campaigns, like pink ribbons or yellow wristbands?
If he thinks that feminists have neglected this issue while devoting their time, money, and resources to others, that seems entirely relevant to a discussion of feminism.
I bet he hasn’t done any of this shit, but either way it has nothing to do with feminism.
Unless it’s illegal, it’s none of his fucking business what people, feminists or not, do with their time, money, or resources.
He probably hasn’t done anything directly about it, but you don’t address the part about raising awareness. I don’t see anything wrong, or useless, with pointing out those areas in which boys’ performance is substandard. The first step toward fixing a problem is to bring attention to it, and get people to recognize that it is a problem.
This is Great Debates; we talk about all sorts of things here that other people do, and are no more our business than this is. Or, one could say that the quality of our public schools, making sure they meet the needs of all students, is very much all of our fucking business.
It also seems that the first reaction in this thread was to say that feminists were out to help boys as much as girls, that they devoted their energies to helping everyone. (I don’t recall specifically if you made statements to that effect, EE.) Why is it now none of his business?
Posting extremely stupid analogies about NBA players on page 11 of an internet thread isn’t raising anyone’s awareness of anything.
And when it comes to whether or not he’s done anything about it: if he hasn’t actually done anything about it, then posting a whinging diatribe about how feminists don’t do enough is a particularly contemptible form of hypocrisy.
Sounds like the kind of thing you should go start an on-topic thread about.
You’re conflating two different issues: whether feminists seek to improve the the lives of both men and women, which they do. And whether it’s any of your fucking business how they prioritize their lives, which it isn’t.
Is that the comment you were calling “useless”? I thought we were discussing his post about boys in school (graded worse, drugged more often, etc.).
If they say they’re out to improve the lives of men and women, but they prioritize their actions differently, isn’t that the same hypocrisy you’re accusing Linus of? (Or, to put it another way, why is Linus’s inaction any of your business?)
The descriptor “useless” covers a lot of his posts.
Do they say that? For those who do are their actions different than their words? Do you have proof of this? Then those specific individuals who do those things are by definition hypocrites. Not sure what this has to do with feminism, though.
Unlike our hypothetical feminists, LinusK is posting in this thread.
Yes, but we were specifically discussing his post about boys in school when you referred to his comment (singular) being useless.
Don’t they? Hasn’t it been said many times in this very thread that that’s exactly what feminism seeks? I was copying your own words from barely an hour ago.
No, I don’t. Sounds like fodder for a great debate.
That particular debate ended with the sentence “No I don’t”.
That’s odd. I find that debates end when one side does have proof of their assertion.
Do you have proof to the contrary?
I forget where we were. You were accusing unknown people of misbehavior without any proof. And then you were demanding that I prove their innocence? And you were calling this a debate?
By name, which specific people are you accusing of misbehavior? And why should I defend them?
Oh, I forgot to add: what does this have to do with feminism?