Cosmosdan, Hoodoo Ulove:
You appear to be on your way here. Hope you like poetry!
Thanks for the link. That’s awesome. My head is spinning. But it’s awesome.
Thanks, Matt! It’s always great to have your thoughts reduced to cliche. Gotta up my game. Dan, I was referring to any and all of my remarks.
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So if we believe that what is, is, then we believe in God?[/QUOTE
There are many interpretations to the word “god” It has many meanings to different people,To me it just means the totality of what is, Not “a” being to worship.
Science has proven that we are made of Star Stuff…
The word god is a noun(Person ,place or thing) In Genesis God tells Moses I am what is.
If God is “A” being he would have to have a place in which to exist first, since it is said he had no beginng than neither did the Place where he is. If he is being than God can be said to be "Being"or in other words Existance.
Monavis
What science, where, when?
My objection to statements like this is that that it really means , our latest theory based on what we believe or think we know at this point.
That is a long way from proven.
As I see it, we have barely scratched the surface of available knowledge and understanding. Terms like 'we know" and “proven” seem way to absolute to be used as often as they are.
But since we all believe in the totality of what is, doesn’t this leave “believing in god” as empty of all content?
It does if you’re an existentialist.
And doesn’t if . . . what?
If you’re an essentialist, essence precedes existence.
Liberal, I’m trying to get this.
Monavis says the existent is God.
I say merely naming the existent God tells us nothing.
You say essence precedes existence.
How does your statement contradict mine?
I’m not trying to contradict you; in fact, I’m agreeing with you. A pantheist or panentheist is necessarily an existentialist. But if essence precedes existence, then God is more than what is. Existence is merely a trivial state.
Panentheist
A new word for me.
Panentheism
the belief that the Divine is present in everything and also extends beyond and is greater than the universe
You hold the second and deny the first?
You mean pantheism and panentheism? I don’t hold either of them. I’m a theist. And an essentialist.
Sorry for the lack of clarity. I meant
First: The divine is present in everything.
Second: The Divine extends beyond and is greater than the universe.
I don’t like the word “in”. It connotes containment. Let’s say that if we have length, width, and depth, the Divine is kata.
I think that’s true by the definition of supernatural.
The word God, has many meanings to different people. I do not believe the word means a being to worship. If God Is “a” being then it would not be possible for God to be everywhere at once, If God is Being (existance) then all that exists is a part of what is called God. as I stated before, in another time, It is maybe a poor anology, but to me the word is like a large ocean, it is all water, take out a drop and the drop is water. The whole is greater than its parts, So the quote in genesis when Moses asked who are you ,his answer was"I am what is. There is a religion in India, that has a word, when they greet you that means:I see the God in you.
Science has proven that we are all made of star stuff. and everything is made up of atoms and molecules Just different amounts of DNA,like a river, the blood that runs through our veins is different than the day before.
Monavis
My point is that to look at God as “a” being it would mean God would have to have a place to be;even if one meant space. But if the word, God, (as a religious man looks at the word) would mean a supreme being who created all things, place would have to proced him, unless he was also place, other wise who would have created the place, or space of where he is?
We can know that we exist,we can see and communicate with each other and others can also see us. If we are a part of a greater whole (existance )than in that sense we can say God exists because God is a word. It can be written and seen by all even though it is spelled differently in other languages.
I do not believe there is “A” being looking over us and is supernatural. The old adage, God helps them that help themselves fits fine with me.
Monavis
Monavis, you have an admirably poetic way of expressing yourself. I think I’m being a bit of a jerk in responding in a literalist fashion. I don’t think we really disagree.
Monavis, if a single being exists kata-wise, then it can exist everywhere in our universe at once.
please explain. What do you mean by Kata? Where does the term come from?