The fact that Man has sinned makes him flawed and infallible or he wouldn’t or couldn’t sin!
That is your belief,but it is yours alone, and of course if that makes you happy and have a good life, more power to you…as for me it makes no sense at all. And where the idea comes from that womens faith ressurected Jesus is really a strange and different idea
. Who raised the dead after Jesus gave them the power…That is a new one on me!
He also cried out(if quoted right) said, My God , My God, why have you forsaken me! Then I believe the writer decided that that wouldn’t be a good last word for Jesus to say, so added ,“Into your hands I commit my spirit”.
You will have to go into this a bit more.
The statement that Jesus made on the cross is exactly what He said. Even here people get off calling God a monster. Though if you ask them what charge you have against Jesus they usually can’t come up with anything expect perhaps causing a tree to wither. The reason is they don’t know God, they just know of God from what they have been told by Satan - so they judged God guilty on Satan’s lies about Him.
Jesus as God knows this and does not see the people acting in full knowledge, but only as innocent children brainwashed by Satan. He makes it clear that He understand that these children of God don’t have any clue what they are doing in their actions, that they are acting under a delusion.
God is usually thought of as the Father - the one that Jesus prays and talks to, but this is not really scriptural, as God is one. God in His fullness would include the Father + Jesus acting as one. They can not act alone and be God. In this you have the Father looking down from Heaven and sees what is going on from afar, and you have Jesus knowing personally what it is to suffer that directly (and you have the heart of those who Love Jesus, such as Mary also in this as also God), So through all that you have all the information available to God in His ‘all-knowingness’. Jesus, the part of God suffering directly also knows that the people doing this are not guilt of what they are doing and relays this to the Father who is understandable upset as to what is going on with His Son, and asks for the Father to forgive His anger at these people.
OK, no He did not. Satan will suffer much more then all of humanity combined, but that is coming and can not be stopped.
Satan just is postponing His punishment because he taught children to take His punishment willingly (though deceit). Because of this God has lessened the severity as children will not be able to take the final punishment and there is not reason for them to bear that level of punishment.
The laws of Karma, aka you reap what you sow, is more a universal law of creation then the conservation of matter and energy or any law of physics. Satan will suffer all what he put out, all he can do is delay it and let it build and grow - but it will come back to him.
Yes, why did god create the devil in the first place? Boredom maybe. Forever is a really long time.
In your version of how God should be, God should only create beings that are always good.
In my version God loves life so much that He will create every being that can be created and will also have those beings come to realize that they desire to do good.
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God Loves life and He can handle and teach even naughty children of all ages including the devil.
I usually mention Deuteronomy 13.
But why create a child capable of being naughty in the first place?
Would you have your only begotten son killed just to prove how compassionate he is/you are? Besides, it clearly didn’t work if people calling themselves Christians are still instigating wars and utilising the death penalty.
Better yet, would Adam and Eve have been capable of sinning had they remained in heaven? If so, is it possible to be ejected from heaven once in the afterlife? If not, then are we being punished by having our free will removed in the afterlife (ignoring arguments about capacity and inclination briefly)? If so, then why can’t those that become virtuous by punishment in hell ascend to heaven? If the punishment is not corrective, then isn’t it vindictive and grossly disproportionate to the sins on Earth?
The role of women in the grand design from reading the Bible is very hard to see. Satan has placed women in submission to men and thus hidden their role. Though they are just as critical to the plan as men and their place is just as high as men, for they have the exact same spirit as God and thus are one with Mother/Father God as God. It is also the reason why we don’t hear much about Mother God.
What we do know is that while the men left and hid after the death of Jesus, the women stayed near the tomb. I think it’s pretty safe to say that many of them loved Jesus (love is God), and prayed for Him.
In Matt 10:8 Jesus gave the orders to raise the dead, so the power to raise the dead is transferable from Jesus to multiple people. Paul demonstrated this gift in Acts so was given to more people then the original 12. It is not unexpected for women also to have this power and gifting, but it is expected that we would not hear much about women having this power.
So I can’t point to a scripture where Mary raised Jesus from the tomb, but for a God who desires to work through us and for us to be involved in Godly things it is exactly the God I know.
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There must be a reason why, so I looked at it again:
[QUOTE=Deut 13]
5 But that prophet or that dreamer of dreams shall be put to death, because he has **counseled [c]rebellion against the LORD your God who brought you from the land of Egypt and redeemed you from the house of [d]slavery, to seduce you from the way in which the LORD your God commanded you to walk. So you shall purge the evil from among you.
[/QUOTE]
One thing is pretty clear, the people doing the act have no choice in the matter, it is so commanded that they shall be put to death. This statement speaks to the innocence of the Israelite people in this act as they had no choice.
Another thing is very clear in scriptures, the terms ‘The Lord’ (and like terms taken to mean God), and ‘Satan’ are used interchangeable, so you can’t tell what ‘lord’ is being referred to by the name alone. So in the above it could very well be Satan who is ensuring against rebellion by the above command over the world which he did rule.
With the 2 above you have the arrow of blame pointing squarely at Satan for the reason Jesus had to die, which fulfilled the Law as Jesus was certainly ‘put to death’. But God is over Satan and all of Satan’s power, and found no guilt Jesus and no justification for Him to die, so Jesus was raised.
To have every possible living being. God loves life and loves children and His love can transform every naughty child, so why would He not?
In the grand plan I believe we will take to the stars, to other cultures and experiences throughout the universe and multiverses that will make a Startrek like experience appear boring. We will meet new friends who are also members of our family of God and have incredible adventures. Each culture will have a unique history and legends of how they evolved how they did.
It is possible that the diversity we will experience is a result of the harsh start.
As to why God just didn’t create things as if it happened that way without it really having been that way. The only thing I can come up with is that would be cheating, it would not be authentic or real. God’s children would be living under a lie, a illusion, and I don’t believe that is what God wants for us.
In the grand plan, do you see Christians taking to the stars, as they once took to the oceans, “to meet new friends”, who can be proselytized to, converted, and brought into the fold as new Christians?
No, Jesus came to defeat religion and will before that time. Christianity as we know it was started by Paul, not Christ, it is a mix of the OT law and the NT grace, during Paul’s conversion from religion to freedom in Christ from religion. The Pauline letters shows this transition and the battle that wages inside Paul.
But you may very well have star traveling races that are as Christianity was/is currently on earth which will make for some interesting times in our exploration. It appears that Satan may have been such a star traveling being.
I think that it doesn’t really explain the whole Gethsemane thing at all. Plus, since the whole thing was an elaborate setup pre-planned and arranged by God to get Jesus tortured and killed, the scenario is actually more like “Look how compassionate I am for not annihilating all these guards for something I arranged for them to do, which I deliberately did to give myself an opportunity to look compassionate.”
If that’s God’s idea of a good example of compassion, then he’s one of the least compassionate entities I’m aware of - look at all the *non-staged suffering he’s completely ignoring.
- That’s making the generous assumption that everybody’s suffering isn’t being deliberately orchestrated by God - and if he is orchestrating it, then, well, ‘compassionate’ isn’t the term that comes to mind.
Actually, this isn’t clear from the scriptures, and I think you’ll find that absolutely nobody agrees with this method of ‘interpreting’ them. Because if they did, their first move would be to chuck the entire thing out the window. By changing who said what and who did what and claiming that the authors are unreliable and biased, you utterly, completely, and irrevocably destroy the book’s value as a religious, moral, informational, historical, or any other kind of resource. You go one step further than those who claim the whole thing is fiction - they at least can claim the book reports what the authors intend it to report. Your position is that we literally cannot trust any meaning that we think we are seeing in its words.
That you immediately turn around and point to (select, cherry-picked, creatively interpreted) bits of it and claim that because the Bible says it it’s true - well, that sort of thing is why few people seem to be taking you seriously. It’s an incoherent position.
Part of the problem here is that by destroying the Bible as a source and claiming that you have personal revelation telling you which of the fragments are salvageable, you essentially break any connection you have with other Christians in this thread (or anywhere). The vast majority of Christians look to (at least) the bible as a touchstone of information about their deity; they can and do disagree about interpretation, but at least they have some common ground to look at and debate the meaning of. You have lost even that - I have no reason to think that your Jesus is even supposed to be the same guy everyone else is talking about. With your approach to literary ‘interpretation’ you could be talking about Harry Dresden while everyone else is talking about Harry Potter - which seems to be pretty much what is happening in this thread.
And to put it in a positive light, we will be going to meet other gods and learn new ways and them ours, to grow together and to intermix with them producing wonderfully new children with unique abilities unknown before.
Bold mine. No, a way is explained in the book itself of how to interpret who is speaking, it is that you can’t go by the name used, but a way is given.
Contrary to the rest of your post, you must take the Scriptures in their entirety to determine who is speaking, you can’t take things fragmented and out of context. You can’t have a God that is always good causing suffering because scriptures can not be broken (that is the key given by Jesus). So anything bad is of Satan and everything good is of the Lord - that is how you tell.
The part you rant about, but don’t ask for a cite, the direct substitution of the Lord and Satan is 2 Sam 24:1 and 1 Cron 21:1, with this, taken it it’s entirety the name itself can not be used to tell who is speaking.
I am an ex-Christian who has wondered about this a lot myself. Here’s a theory I came up with. (It’s clearly heretical because it involves a non-omniscient version of God.)
God was starting to feel pretty discouraged about humans again. Instead of going the flood route this time, He decided to find out what they were really made of. He took part of Himself and turned it into a man. This man was indeed a man, with all that that implies, but being originally part of God, he had the option of going back to Heaven any time. He had some ability to communicate with his Father, but did not have a complete understanding of his role on Earth. He preached the word of God as he understood it, and attracted a following. Eventually this led to him being considered a danger by the authorities, who condemned him to a very unpleasant death. At this point he was faced with a choice. He could use his divine Get Out Of Jail Free card and return to Heaven, or he could go through torture and death because that appeared to be his Father’s plan. In the end, he chose the latter… and thereby passed the test which proved to God that His creations were, in fact, worth keeping around for a while longer.
(Actually, he may have thought that God would rescue him at the last minute, like with Abraham. But when he realized that wasn’t going to happen, he stuck with Plan A anyway.)
Or, the parts where it says that God is always good were written by the devil. Or the part where Jesus said the scriptures cannot be broken was written by the devil. Or maybe Jesus was just a man and his opinion on the breakability of the scriptures is unimportant. Or maybe all the parts where it says God is good are just ignorant humans spouting nonsense and/or an evil God lying about his goodness. Or maybe the whole thing is a mix of fiction, myth, and history-mythologized-beyond-reason and it’s not more unbreakable than those fiction books that include a forward claiming it’s a true story. All these options are possible if you start allowing yourself to selectively ignore or alter the text to match up with a preferred pre-determined theory.
Your only basis for choosing your text-breaking interpretation over any other is that you claim to be a modern-day prophet. Which is all well, and good, but modern-day prophetness is not a transferrable condition, not even over the internet. So when you start arbitrarily rewriting chunks of the text, it may seem inspired to you, but to the rest of us it seems like deciding that Harry and Hermione are going to get together, and that bit at the end where she’s married to Ron and they have kids together is just a misspelling.
Now, having said all that, I’m going to set it all aside and look back at your position related to the OP, since that’s what I started this thread to discuss. Your cavalier disregard for breaking the Bible’s textual integrity doesn’t invalidate your ability to have an opinion on the matter, after all; it only means that we should ignore your claims that your theories are supported by the text or need to be responded to by adherents to the text.
Originally you stated that the reason that Jesus’s torture and death were arranged by God was in order to trick Satan out of being able to ‘win’ everyone’s souls. Necessarily this requires that there be somebody making the rules to the system that God and Satan are trying to game against one another; this unknown entity is at fault for making torture and death part of the game rules. This entity would be the one who made the rule that “the wages of sin is death”, along with the doubtful ambiguity in the rule as to what sort of death is being talked about. While this original position failed to establish what sicko was making rules about torture and death, other than that it was reasonably self-consistent.
Now, though, you seem to have stated that everybody, including Satan, is incapable of being evil because they’re all appendages of God - appendages that converse with God and attach and detach at will. Also, God is incapable of making anything that is not perfectly good. Either way, this would mean that Satan is perfectly good, which would mean that his antics in opposition to God are the actions of God himself. To say the least, this throws into question his motivations, and by the strictest interpretation means that God is controlling both sides of the war (sort of like Emperor Palpatine). This also means that even if God didn’t make the rules about torture and death, he still very deliberately arranged things to make use of these rules to allow him to torture and arrange for death. I somehow doubt that this is what you intended, so perhaps you could clarify - how perfect is Satan, and how perfect were his actions?