On the inability to find the RIGHT new cellphone

What a dilemma trying to find a thread for this post. It will have vitriol, but at too low a level to be Pit. It will solicit recommendations, but secondary to griping about the problem, so it’s not quite right for IMHO. It may branch into a Debate or factual GQ answers about why the market is what it is, but it may not. So for now, it’s the catch-all MPSIMS.

I can’t find a new cellphone that meets my needs! And it’s not that my needs are that esoteric, that they haven’t been manufactured to in the past. It’s just that they are no longer being met by any new stupid, price-driving, bells-and-whistles phones.

Here is what I want:
A clamshell cellphone, with an outer display for time and caller ID. I like being able to see who is calling me on the ID before opening the phone, to know how important a call is to take, and also like having an easily accessible clock on the outside the rest of the time. Not to mention the preferred form factor in my hand (and against my face) of the clamshell and the fact that it’s a hell of a lot harder to mash buttons by accident with the phone on my hip when all the buttons are inside the closed phone. I don’t care about things like color display, video capability, streaming downloads, polyphonic (or now, MP3) ringtones. But the phone cannot, MUST NOT have a camera on it.

Why no camera? My job takes me to just about every Federal building around DC, typically two or three per day, and every place has its own unique security procedure. Some of those procedures ban any recording devices. A growing number ban any cameras. Most do not ban cellphones, which is good, since I really need that phone to stay on me, even when I am at meetings. I hate that it’s an essential lifeline in my job, but I accept that reality. If I have a camera in the phone, which I would not use, I’d have to check the phone at the front desks, which is at least an inconvenience, at most a security concern in and of itself (sure, go ahead and look at my call history. Hey, an incoming call, this could be juicy!).

My current phone is unfortunately beginning to show its age, especially in the battery, which is needing to be replaced more every day. A new battery for the phone would cost about $50. A new phone, lacking the frivolous features I don’t need, with plan, would cost about the same, and likely be better integrated into the provider’s system when it comes to reception.

But there are no new phones (especially with Verizon Wireless, official choice of Those Who Wish To Receive Any Signal On The DC Metro) that satisfy my needs. Hell, two years ago when I bought my current phone, that one phone was my entire list of choices at Verizon.

I understand why every phone now has a camera. And fancy ringtones. And video/download/whatever streaming. The manufacturers did too good a job making what is actually needed in a cellphone (ability to make calls, connect decently to a widely available network, caller ID display, and address book/contact list) years ago. In order to convince people they keep needing to sign up for new plans, and keep buying new phones, the new phones need to have something about them that their old phones do not. So in go the cameras. In the mp3 ringtones. In the video LCD displays (inside AND out!). In the downloading options. In the useless crap features that average Joe Cellphoneuser will never use, but which justify selling prices.

But for the love of Og, why must every phone have the new, useless features, even when there are always half a dozen per service provider that are free after activation/rebates/whatever? Couldn’t those half a dozen phones remain sane, no frills options?


Upon a closer look at Verizon Wireless’ website, there is one phone that could meet my needs. I discounted it as a camera phone by accident because of that big, ugly black circle on the top of it, which seemed the perfect mount for a camera.

But my point still stands. My choice is one ugly ass phone.

Yep. Ugly phone.

I’m just amazed that some bright phone company doesn’t grasp the idea that there are countless bank datacenters, government buildings and the like that have a ban on cameras of any kind and make a good attractive phone that doesn’t have a camera.

I was speaking with a Motorola rep about this yesterday at a trade show and sadly, he didn’t have a good answer.

You know, one of the best cell phones I ever had was that classic Motorola / Nextel phone. No camera, no video, no ringtones, no internet, no color screen. Didn’t even have a real “outside” screen - there was a clever clear window in the flip so the one screen did everything. But, as a phone, it was excellent. LOUD and CLEAR ringer, LOUD and CLEAR speakerphone. Everything else I’ve had in the past five years has been lesser quality in one way or another. I was very unhappy when my company switched from Nextel to Verizon and we all got the craptacular free LG phone of the month.

I thought that some cellphones that normally come with cameras are available in versions without a camera, but I haven’t been able to find information on this now.

Yeah, I agree with you whole-heartedly.

I want a phone that is small, sturdy, well-built, not plasticky and cheap-feeling, with a clear monochrome screen (the color ones wash out in sunlight), and good battery life. Bluetooth is the only added feature I might consider - no internet access, no camera, no games, no stupid ringtones.

The Motorola Razr comes the closest, but it has terrible battery life. If they came out with a version that was the same size, but dedicated all the space that the color screen, fast processor and camera took up to the battery, I’d buy it in a second.

Apple is rumored to be coming out with a cell phone - I’m hoping they get it right.

You may find this cell phone questionnaire on about.com helpful. Question #3 deals specifically with the camera question, and allows you to answer “Nah, I don’t need that gadget.”

That is awesome! I am looking at getting another phone, and I am having the same problems as the OP (though for different reasons… I just don’t want all the fancy stuff).

The phone my company gives me is a Motorola i836 , which is meant to work with Nextel, but in the current state of things, couldn’t you use it for another provider? It seems to pretty much fit what you’re asking for.

On the other hand, the cellphone I just got for my own business is great fun! It’s been absolute YEARS since I’ve had a new gadget toy, because the last time I kept my own cell phone, they weren’t fun yet. Motorola L6, because it was free with my husband’s purchase of his super-uber-mega gadgety treo type thingy.

Phone companies are very touchy about that sort of thing. If Verizon COULD do it, they’d probably want to charge me a few hundred bucks for “migration fees” or “integration service” or “accessibility operation” or some other bend-me-over buzzword excuse to extort more money.

I am primarily considering Verizon because it’s what I currently have. Phone number migration would be absolutely no problem, and I know what to expect of their service in DC. At the time I bought my current phone, right about two years ago, Sprint and Nextel were still two different companies (as were AT&T and Cingular). It may be worth another look now that networks have combined for better coverage, and my company has purchasing discounts with all the major providers.

It really does seem that Motorola is the most in touch with consumers who want camera free, outside display clamshells. Too bad the primary Motorola carrier is Sprint/Nextel, which really is one of the more expensive providers.

The link here just takes me to a page that asks for my zip code, but if the phone you meant to link to is the LG VX4650, for the love of Og, stay away from it.

We’ve had 3 of them in the last year and a half. The minute my ‘new every two’ date comes up, I’m throwing that sucker in the ocean. It’ll work fine for a few weeks and then the microphone dies. You can hear who you are talking to just fine, but they can only hear about every other sentence or so from you. What a piece of crap this thing is. And Verizon will only replace them with another of the exact same model. I’m too cheap to shell out for a different model, so we wait. And try to keep conversations short. Really, really short.

You know, I really can’t think of ANY reason…not ONE damn reason why all cell phone providers aren’t total bastards.

It is my understanding that you can buy an unlocked phone (for example, on the Net) and place your old SIM card in the new phone. Voila, new phone and no activation charge, etc.

My gripe is that there aren’t enough QUIET ringtones/sounds on cell phones these days-- they’re all so damn loud! I use my phone as an alarm, and even on its quietest setting, it is way too loud. I wish I could control the volume of each individual ringtone or sound, so I could find a relatively short tone that doesn’t annoy the hell out of me, and then make it nice and quiet.

And, I don’t like Verizon Wireless’ new phone software. Feels like I have to click three more things than before, just to send a text message. Jerks.

Verizon phones don’t use SIM cards, though.

I agree about the text messaging, which I don’t really use, and I’m not a big fan of the firmware overall, but my Motorola V276 does allow for ringer volume adjustment.
I tried that About.com quiz to find a phone for the OP, and all the ones had cameras. Great help, that.

No camera?

THis phone will meet your needs and is sans camera -RIM Blackberry 7130e

If you can live w/out the external window this phone will also work - LG VX3300 Phone

This would also work and seems to be the neatest phone so far

Another resource is to go to ebay, and put “cdma verizon” in the top right search box. This will pop up a seach page with options on the left. Choose CDMA + Carrier= Verizon + No camera. 59 phones & many different models pop up. Some appear to be last generation (no camera) clamshell models in near new condition. If you can call Verizon to confirm the model will work before purchasing one of these might be suitable.