On the Reality of the Existentialist Lifestyle

This post is about existentialism, not as a philosophical concept but as a way of life. If one were to say, ‘‘What is your religion?’’ I would respond that I am Buddhist. But underlying that sense of devout belief in Buddhist philosophy is a greater truth: I am an existentialist.

My first encounter with existentialism happened my freshman year of college when I took a course on Friedrich Nietzsche. Our professor introduced this strange, morose, enigmatic man with the following passage:

Perhaps one of the most often misrepresented quotes is this Nietzschean platitude, ‘‘God is dead.’’ He is talking about the rise of secularism in Europe. Please note the important phrase and we have killed him, which makes belief into an active choice. Maybe not a revolutionary idea for a seasoned philosopher, but it was earth-shattering for an 18-year-old kid losing her faith in God. I was struck dumb with how accurately it described my sense of loss and confusion. Sometimes I feel like I understand Nietzsche all too well–his rambling, melodramatic grief-stricken rants and the very real emotional strength at the heart of it all could have been torn from the pages of my diaries.

This idea – that everything had been wiped away, that the horizon had vanished, that I was straying, as through an infinite nothing – this idea completely redefined my life. The arbitrary nature of life experience, the inevitability of suffering – none of it makes any damn sense. Trying to construct a logical explanation for life has only made me insane. Trying to posit some Great Ultimate Truth has only led to more suffering, because I don’t believe a whit of it.

Destruction from the existentialist viewpoint is just as valuable and perhaps even more important than creation. So I will take everything I know to be true and tear it all down. I will destroy everything until there is nothing but black, empty space.

And then I will choose what I would like to fill that space.

Nietzsche, you see, was not a nihillist. He was a proponent of what he called the Dionysian Will to Power, which was basically doing whatever made you feel high on life, and creating values that made you feel strong. If you read Ecce Homo you will find that his Dionysian urges led him to do such dramatic and empowering things as take brisk walks and listen to classical music.

No offense, Herr Nietzsche, but I’m a little more visionary. For whatever reason, my overall view of the world up until that point was that it was terrifying, filled with evil people and that my continuous psychological suffering was pretty much an inherent part of my inferior being. (Nietzsche and I aren’t so different in this regard, though he managed to delude himself into believing it was other people who were batshit insane, not him.) Anyways, can you imagine how awesome it was to be able to just tear that negative shit down?

What I built up for myself, over the years, was a cautious but solid foundation based on the Buddhist principles of equanimity and impermanence. I believe that absolutely nothing on this planet matters but to love, and I say this in the infinitive because it is the verb I’m discussing here, not the noun. I believe that our experiences are transient, are individual existence illusory, and that we are but one part of this giant breathing, eternal organism that is the universe. You might call these beliefs ‘‘faith.’’ They are tenets of a religion. Maybe I am a religious person.

But this is the most important part-- I do not have any qualms about discarding this faith, this true-felt belief, at a moments notice if it ceases to serve my best interests. This is one of the reasons I typically have such a difficult time debating people on the interweb–I don’t even really believe in what I really believe in. Reality and life’s meaning are such incredibly relative things to me that I cannot imagine being certain about very much of anything. There are reliable frameworks – science, for example, and rationality. These things make me feel as if I have some kind of foothold in the world, and give me a sense of control and clarity that few things can. I’m not suggesting that crackpot ideas like Creationism or Scientology somehow have merit… my world ain’t *that * relative. But books like Marc Hauser’s Moral Minds, which are well-researched, add credence to my perspective that morality is both biological, environmental, and mostly arbitrary.

The plus side of all that, is of course, the incredible sense of moral freedom. One may see the wisdom in ‘‘The Middle Path’’ and very happily follow it and then discard it at a moment’s notice when one is presented with a giant Ice Cream Sundae and an extra large spoon. It’s the ultimate in guilt-free living. Nietzsche was not being general when he said, ‘‘One must have chaos in oneself in order to give birth to a dancing star.’’ He was talking about the emotional strength it takes to hold two diametrically opposing viewpoints at once, to believe that The Middle Path is honorable but also that sometimes you just gotta eat the damn sundae. Or to understand that someone who hurt you was both a brutal person and an innocent victim. Or to believe that Buddhism is true but it is not The Truth.

My intention is to raise a discussion on a few points. And please do not feel required to limit the discussion to Nietzsche; he is only the author I’ve read the most of. I have found very valuable insights in Kafka, Sartre, Camus, Dostoevsky and the sort of obscure Young Torless. (on that note–anybody here know of any CHEERY existentialists? Most of this stuff makes me want to shoot myself in the face.)

To the discussion points:

Is it possible to actually live a truly existentialist (or, to up the ante, nihilist) lifestyle? While I think I’ve covered some of the basic merits, there are obvious disadvantages that must be addressed. When I was a teenager and I had a moral dilemma I looked up the answer in an ancient textbook and fell asleep certain that God loved and me and would take care of me. Now I lie awake afraid, alone, confused. Is it even worth it, or am I just as trapped in my lack of direction as I once was in the black and white world of Christianity?

And we have not yet even mentioned the other part of existentialism – personal responsibility. What does responsibility mean in this context? That we are responsible for our own actions, our own happiness? Is there any way in which this notion might backfire on us? Furthermore, can existentialism be compared to religion? I think of it as my belief system–a belief system in which I believe there are no true belief systems, but a belief system nonetheless.

II don’t claim to be an expert on this movement, and I apologize for anything wonky about this OP. I am new to Great Debates and would like to participate more, but I’m still learning the rules.

Thank you for your time and consideration.

Olives,
Christy

You should check out the novels of James Morrow, if you haven’t already. Start with Towing Jehovah, which posits that not only is God dead, but his miles-long corpse is floating in the Atlantic, and someone needs to bury him already. Not exactly cheery, but funny.

Read Kierkegaard. Not exactly cheery either, but not as bleak as those you’ve mentioned.

I thought The Fear & The Trembling and The Sickness Unto Death were downright perky.

Not as droll and puckish as Being and Nothingness, but hotter sex scenes.

Or more importantly, would it even be worth it regardless of your former belief? What do you think waits for you at the end of your inquiry?

Existentialism baffled me at first. On the seventh or eighth reading, I realized :smack: it wasn’t that complicated. The individual determines his own meaning and essence. So, life and morality mean whatever you say they mean! If you are a selfish, amoral jerk to begin with, existentialism gives you the certainty that you are right.

I have known many existentialists who didn’t know they were existentialists. :rolleyes:

And only a killjoy would have told them.

Olivesmarch4th, I just want to say that that is one of the best OPs I’ve ever read in Great Debates. It is fresh, interesting, and very well thought out and composed.

It’s pretty well known among the people here who discuss philosophy regularly that I’m no fan of existentialism. I think its problems are irreconcilable. Of course, there are various interpretations of it, just as with anything else. But in every case, at the root of it all, existentialism requires that existence precede essence. And I believe with every fiber of my being that that is bass-ackwards.

I think that, to live a real existentialist lifestyle, you have to look backwards at everything. This post, for example. It was born in my brain and was its essential self before even the first word was typed. Somewhere in here is the kernel of essence that was “what it is to be”. The thing is, maybe it didn’t make it into these words. Maybe my mind still holds what I thought, and it has been left unexpressed except in the interstices. But to be true to your philosophy, you must assume that there was no essence before this appeared to your eyes.

And that is wrong.

Oh, I didn’t tell 'em. They’re scary people.

Very well thought out Olives, very well indeed. I’m reading the posts and thinking to myself that there are a few people out there wraping themselves around this concept of Existentialism…wondering if essence may in fact precede existence.

You are the type of student who a prof. looks at as being bright and sharp with a bit of whimsey - someone who will have an aha moment and all of a sudden get it. I applaud your OP and hope you do in fact visit the great debates again and again. Read into Liberal’s post - he’s been around the philosopher’s stone a time or two… :wink:

I remember the exhilirating feeling I had when I finally realized that all of the values that had been forced on my through childhood which filled me with guilt had no more power over me. But eventually, I realized that I was bound by values, just not *those * values. So going through a nihilistic phase I think is a very valuable thing; it clears the ground for the establishment of one’s true values.

But I don’t think that establishing one’s own values = existentialism. Existentialism seems to me to be based on the false premise that one can establish values that are truly individualistic, one’s own–that one can create values ex nihilo. But this ignores the social aspect of reasoning and value–one is always part of an on-going conversation as to what is worth valuing. Even if in your personal value system you reject most of what society values, you are still picking up threads that are there in the conversation; you are not inventing values out of whole cloth. For example, if you think love is the ultimate value, part of why you think this has to do with the value society places on love, or on the thread in society opposed to violence and cruelty, and your exposure to and absorption of these values (and your consequent choice to elevate this value over others).

I don’t know how coherent that is–I have a sinus infection and am only semi-lucid. But I think a lot of other so-called ‘existentialists’ (e.g., Heidegger) realized how essentially social all norms and values are, and would have rejected the individualistic strain one finds in, say, Sartre.

I’m with the OP on the existentialism mixed with Buddhism trip (with a little Epicurean thrown in). Sorry, Lib, but as you well know, I don’t agree that essence precedes existence. Essence is emergent from existence. I don’t think you can point to your thoughts as evidence for the contrary, either - your thoughts exist in your brain as much as the words exist on the screen. Where then is the essential idea?

Doolittle: Hello, Bomb? Are you with me?
Bomb #20: Of course.
Doolittle: Are you willing to entertain a few concepts?
Bomb #20: I am always receptive to suggestions.
Doolittle: Fine. Think about this then. How do you know you exist?
Bomb #20: Well, of course I exist.
Doolittle: But how do you know you exist?
Bomb #20: It is intuitively obvious.
Doolittle: Intuition is no proof. What concrete evidence do you have that you exist?
Bomb #20: Hmmmm… well… I think, therefore I am.
Doolittle: That’s good. That’s very good. But how do you know that anything else exists?
Bomb #20: My sensory apparatus reveals it to me. This is fun.

As Edgar Allan Poe observed, “No man has ever had an original thought.” The essential idea had to be there, else where did my idea come from? We would surely agree that thoughts like those in our posts are synthetic in nature (as opposed to analytic), emerging from what we’ve synthesized through our experience. You might argue that the idea therefore emerged from my brain, which already existed; however, I’m not the first essentialist, so we cannot attribute the idea to the existence of MY brain. And yet, that’s where you say it came from. It’s the contradictions in existentialism (and materialism generally) that bother me.

So, you don’t believe that it’s possible to reinvent the wheel?

Here’s what I believe: there cannot exist a wheel without there first being the essence of what a wheel is to be. :slight_smile:

I apologise for my ignorance; but the word “essence” has no meaning to me in this context. I have not studied on this topic. (Brief googling did not clarify it much to me.) Can you rephrase your above statement in ‘layman’s terms’?

[OPEN’S EYES AND WAITS]

I;ve been thinking about Nietzche, and I think that while he eprsonally wasn’t nihilistic, his philosophy leads very quickly to it. The problem with the Will to Powr was that it relied, implictly on a schema of values. Nietzche thought in terms of Greek ones, with emphais on intellectual development and virtue. But from hsi own writings, ths was really no more than a personal choice (or depending on which of his writings you read, it was the only rational choice; he was self-contradictory).

Absent those values, people had nothing else to fall back on except the pursuit of raw power. There simply was else nothing left. But you are right to say that Nietzche didn’t think in this way; he was honestly better than his own philosophy.