Again with the broad brushes…
Cite.
Being upset because someone didn’t capitalize the name of an imaginary figure from the past is, frankly, absurd. Next you’ll be flipping out because I’ve spelled it ‘frodo’, ‘toothfairy’, ‘magical pink unicorn’, etc. Geez, Get a life.
Oh dear.
Jesus is more or less universally acknowledged as a historical figure, you know.
Oh dear.
Did you actually read your cite?
It is hardly proof that such a person existed. It is more in the realm of a grandfather telling his children fables that eventually they told as truth to their children until someone finally came along and said to himself, "Hey, I can make money on this!.
I would have considered granting your wish if it weren’t for such offensive language.
Yeah, dude. Every time you say please, a kitten gets eaten.
No, I believe I’ve mentioned “annoy” plenty of times too. And no, I’m not touchy about it; it’s on a par with a four-year-old yelling “Smelly pants! Smelly pants!” and screeching with laughter at his own wit. Kinda hard to be touchy about that. I see you managed to get hung up on the phrase “Jew-baiting” and ignore the rest of the question, though. Perhaps I should rephrase it: Do you have any evidence that magellan01 does any of this purposely to annoy Jews, Hindus or Moslems? Does he, perhaps, do no worse than the common run of his society, with no ill intent - as opposed to going out of his way to be extra-rude just so, if called on it, he can claim they’re making a fuss about nothing?
Not because of that, but because you explicitly state that you do it to be annoying. You don’t succeed to any great extent with me, but it’s the attempt that makes it jerkish - and you have plenty of opportunity to say what your opinions are.
It’s true that I often toss a quick :rolleyes: in the direction of the all-too-frequent “christianz r teh retardz lol!” threads we get around here, but then, to be even-handed, I suppose I’d have to wait for some “ahtiests r all helbound lol!” threads to take issue with, and I don’t seem to see any. If you ever see me giving an atheist a hard time merely because of his atheism, do let me know.
Oh please. I’m making an analogy, and what I’m contrasting is “People really object to this? I thought it was harmless. I’d better knock it off, though” with “People really object to this? Score! Let’s do it some more, then!”. :rolleyes:
Dude, all that cunt-yelling is confusing you about who is arguing with whom. I was urging Kalhoun to consider you innocent of eating beef and pork with malice aforethought. The barbecue anecdote was contrasting my take on observing people’s taboos with Kalhoun’s, and had nothing to do with you.
Now may I suggest that you try giving the c-word a bit of a rest? I think you’ve made that point.
I must have missed that episode…
Yes, you’re right. Sage counsel. Preceded by an excellent post. Even if it is, as I fear, for naught.
I hereby suspend my Protest.
Let’s try this one then.
I guess all the people who knew the guy (GOD, btw) while he was alive were so STUNNED after he died that they didn’t think of writing anything down for 40 years. Did I mention he was GOD and no one thought of writing down what the fuck he said for 40 fucking years?! 40 YEARS! What was the average lifespan back then? Who the heck was left alive after 40 years who actually knew him and could verify what he did and said?
Maybe L.Ron Hubbard went back in time, made up the whole story, and 40 years later people accepted it as fact? When did L. Ron invent Scientology? 1953? 55 years ago? The Scientologists claim millions of members in that time frame. And this when we know that the whole damn thing was made up by a hack science fiction writer! How about Mormonism? Another recent made up religion if there ever was one. Millions of members. All this in an age where people should know better.
What hope did a bunch of camel jockeys and goat ropers have 2000 years ago to separate what was fact from fiction? Some confidence man comes to town and pulls a few rabbits from a hat and coins from people’s ears and he’s the latest thing. Must have made a great impression, though, as no one bothered to document the fact at the time.
HE WAS SUPPOSEDLY GOD! You would think he’d have said to one of his apostles, "Hey, are you writing this down? I’m only saying it once, ya know!’
<wow! that feels better>
Not to mention the fact that, when somebody finally did write it down, the people in the best position to judge the gospels’ accuracy took one look and said “Meh.” Christianity went nowhere in Palestine, which is supposedly where Jesus was walking around doing all these miracles and drawing huge crowds. But when someone wrote the “definitive version” of his life down, they almost all rejected it. IMO, people who were actually living in the place where Jesus lived at the time when Jesus lived are much more qualified to judge the gospels than I am, and they almost universally rejected them. So why should I think I know better than they?
The article had nothing to say about the accuracy of what was in the gospels, only that there was a historical person named Jesus who lived around the beginning of the common era and was crucified under Pontius Pilate. But nice try moving the goal posts there.
Average lifespan didn’t affect the fact that there were a lot of 60, 70, 80-year-olds around back then - only that a lot of early deaths pulled the average down. Of course, any halfway competent scientific rationalist knows this without being told.
At the time, he wouldn’t have been “God” to most people - he was at best a crazy person and at worst a heretic.
Is it really so hard for you to believe that there was probably some nutso dude named Yeshua who lived in Nazareth for awhile and claimed to be the son of god?
Do you think David Koresh is a fictional character too?
I somehow fail to see the significance of this. I’m a casual atheist and I never bothered to doubt that Yeshua bar-Yusuf existed. His life has simply been the subject of dramatic embellishment.
Take it up with Uzi.
Yeah, so some people who listened to others saying that there was a person named “Jesus” sometime in the past are your authorities, right? Okay, fine. If that is good enough for you, so be it. And who knows there probably was a confidence man around at that time with that name. But it is just as likely that there wasn’t, too.
Lifespan
Given good nutrition and luck a person back then would live as long as any other person today. Do you think the people the mythological Jesus preached to were these types, or more likely, the poor and downtrodden? He wasn’t too keen on the rich and wealthy, iirc (those most likely to have good nutrition, btw).
So, his followers were sitting around the campfire 30-40 years later, reminiscing about the good times when they were kids back in the commune, when one of them slaps his head and says, “Hey, you know that long haired dude? What was his name again? Yeah, Jesus. Yeah, I think he was god, man!”. “Hey, Dude! Don’t be a hog, pass it over here” Is that what you figure?