I’m not going to link to individual threads/posts, partly out of laziness and partly to avoid picking on any individual poster, but I have seen a bunch of posts lately saying something like: “oh, the extreme nutty jerk atheists are just as bad as the extreme nutty jerk theists {usually referring to Christians, presumably}”. I’ve also seen a bunch of cases in which an enormous variety of sins and faults of a variety of prominent Christians are mentioned, and then people say that Richard Dawkins (being a famous frequently-viewed-as-asshole-y atheists) is guilty of the same, or at least equally vile, transgressions.
I call shenanigans.
Before I commence ranting, let me state that I am referring here to US society in general as it is today. I’m not referring to other countries where Christians are being martyred. I’m not referring to the past where Christians were eaten by lions. I’m not referring to the SDMB community, in which there are, by absolute count, more prominent outspoken atheists than there are in the entire rest of the world (and which features Der Trihs who is, in fact, at least as much of an asshole as any religious poster, if not more so).
So… in the US as a whole right now, some (but not all) Christians are (imho) guilty of at least the following faults, in approximately decreasing order of importance:
-attempting to pass laws and even constitutional amendments to deny basic human rights to their fellow citizens
-attempting to impose their religiously-based morality through laws about a variety of other topics
-“intelligent design”, and their attempts to legitimize it and put it in public schools
-blaming just about every bad thing that ever happens to the US on God’s anger at all the homos
-despite the fact that the constitution clearly forbids it, continuing to put religious symbols and statements onto our money, into the pledge of allegiance, and frequently into town halls, schools, etc.
-despite the fact that every US president and an incalculably massive majority of all other elected officials ever have been Christian, and there are Christian churches all over even here in secular liberal silicon valley, having the massive gall to claim that they’re a persecuted minority, with bullshit like the “War on Christmas”
-frequently and publicly announcing their faith as part of a self-proclaimed effort to convert others to their faith, even when very unwelcome (note that this is not just some jerks being loudmouths, but rather a fundamental tenet of their belief system which is taught by their organized hierarchies)
-according to various polls and statements, viewing atheists as untrustworthy, unpatriotic, etc.
-Despite their faith having a number of clearly moral and excellent teachings (turning the other cheek, the golden rule, charity, love, peace) seeming to care solely about a few random “family values” issues which in fact are mentioned only peripherally if at all in the bible, and usually not mentioned by Jesus at all
-In the case of many (but certainly not all) of their prominent leaders, being exposed as raving hypocrites due to their financial and/or sexual shenanigans
-In at least one extreme case, being Fred Phelps. I mention him mainly so that when people try to claim that the extremes on both sides are equally bad, they need to remember just how extreme the extremes are on the Christian side. Also, all those fundamentalist separatist Mormon cult people are nominally Christian.
(-I feel like I’m forgetting a few obvious ones…)
-And of course, in many cases, being assholes about their faith
In the US as a whole right now, some (but not all) atheists are (imho) guilty of at least the following faults, in approximately decreasing order of importance:
-In many cases, being assholes about their lack of faith
-In the case of Richard Dawkins, being a really serious asshole about his lack of faith, and making a few really inexcusably assholish and clearly wrong remarks, at least assuming someone has correctly quoted to me one he made about being raised Catholic being worse than being molested. But not really actually DOING much aside from being an asshole.
-One of them once may have stabbed someone in the hand with a pencil
(Oh, and for both groups, some percentage of them are just plain assholes, not to mention criminals, dochebags, hypocrites, liars, etc.)
Seriously. The equivalency is so hilariously far from being even remotely reasonable that it boggles my mind. Really, what sins are the atheist assholes guilty of? Have they ever (as anything other than perhaps a stunt to make a point) proposed adding “there is no God” to coins or the pledge? Do they (in anything approaching statistically relevant numbers) claim that Christians aren’t good Americans?
And even these extremely assholey atheists, who I admit do exist (Der Trihs – who sometimes makes points I agree with but always makes me wish he would just go away and stop trying to support the side I agree with – being a good example), how common are they, really? A large majority of the people I know are atheists/agnostics, and I’ve never heard someone actually (to pick a commonly used example) get angry at someone for saying “God Bless You” when they sneeze. I claim that’s one of those things like the returning Vietnam vets being spit on that everyone has heard about but which, if it happen(s)(ed) at all, (is)(was) incredibly rare.
And, finally, let me state one more time that the big list of Bad Things above is not things that all, or even most, Christians do. But the claim I’m responding to is not about the average atheist or Christian, it’s about the extremes. And, once again, I’m not talking about the SDMB, but about US society as a whole. Whatever the SDMB-centric equivalent is of someone getting mad at “God Bless You”, it probably does happen with non-trivial regularity… but that’s a separate issue.