For the record, that wasn’t the plural “you”; I was just asking the OP, which is why I’d copied-and-pasted the terms under which he’d “accept” such people – you know, if and only if he can publicly call them “repulsive” without being called a bigot, plus he wants to say it’s “disgusting” for them to act a certain way, and ‘ew, no, never’.
If sexual attraction were strictly a rational choice would the subject ever come up? Your question in some way mirrors his statement.
Is Dr. Paul McHugh also a bigot?
“Transgenderism: A Pathogenic Meme”
Uh, yeah. That’s, like, the point of it. I wasn’t exactly shooting for ‘subtle’.
Seems to be, at least on the subject of gender identity. Even the smartest people cannot be right all the time.
Well, ISTM that DerekMichaels00 has been very candid about the reason for that: he is alarmed by the possibility of someday hitting on a transgender woman without realizing she’s transgender, and (much less realistically) by the possibility that his family or society in general will someday expect him to be willing to date transgender women even though he’s not attracted to them.
:rolleyes: This from the guy who just started a whole GD thread to kvetch about being marginalized by trans acceptance in mainstream media and demand “safe spaces” from transgender women not immediately identifying themselves as transgender, e.g., in bars.
As I said to DerekMichaels00 before, the only reason transgender issues are a big story is that so many conservatives are losing their shit over them. If y’all weren’t trying to pass bathroom-check legislation and sending vigilante gender monitors into Target restrooms and assaulting people in a fit of alleged “trans panic” and all that nonsense, the subject of what a bunch of inconspicuous individuals happen to have in their underwear would be entirely non-newsworthy.
(And I join the consensus advising you that your use of the word “darkie” isn’t coming across as so humorously sarcastic as you may think it is. Discussing racial subjects without using racial slurs may be less “edgy” but it’s still a good idea.)
That’s an excellent quote. It’s also worth noting that anti-transgender people frequently engage in the “tyranny of the tiny minority” tactic, where they pick one, or even a handful of studies or experts as somehow massively being more relevant than the opinions and research done for decades by thousands of other researchers across the globe, as well as the established opinions of major medical bodies, such as the AMA. It’s very similar to dealing with AGW deniers, who will keep grabbing one scientist here and one scientist there, casting them as the “lone rebels fighting for the truth.”
Hell, if I search hard enough I can find internal medicine doctors who believe in spirit surgery, with impressive-sounding schools, education, and credentials. Good thing the vast majority of the world uses science.
Una, I know you’ve posted links a million times. I’m wondering if there’s a single website that has a nice collection of links to research along with a summary of conclusions. When I Google, I’m finding individual studies, which are hard for a layperson to read; and collections of “debunked myths” that have no cites to back up the debunking. Something in between would be a super-helpful resource, but I don’t know where to find it, or even if it exists.
Yes, actually, he is. McHugh is a storied medical professional. But to my knowledge, despite his propensity to mouth off on this subject, he hasn’t published anything on the subject in peer review. Instead, he occupies the same space as people like Peter Duesburg - former medical professionals who stumbled upon a pet issue and refused to either shut up or say something coherent or meaningful on it. His claims are baseless, he has yet to present any research of his own, and his interpretations of the existing research are cherry-picked and horribly flawed.
Personally, I am totally on-board with this idea. In fact, as a cisgender heterosexual woman who is 5 foot 5, I want to unequivocally, loudly, and publicly proclaim my total disgust of men who are shorter than I am. I mean, seriously, it’s repulsive. Men are supposed to be tall, and if a guy is shorter than I am, how can he expect to be treated like a regular person?
I will accept short men, as long as none ever wear lifts, start a conversation while seated, “omit” height in an online dating ad, and I am never at risk of accidentally seeing one naked. I think most women agree with me on this important issue. *Playgirl *needs to carefully screen their models, because no one wants to see some short guy in an effort to maintain “equality” or something. And I would be appalled if I found out I was flirting with some short guy online!
And no one should ever say to me that I should “lower my standards” and consider dating a short man. Ew, no, never.
And while I may draw a warning, and I accept that, I would like to point out that I am no more singling any one out than the OP is singling out the transgender individual(s) participating in this thread.
Like the OP, I also don’t entirely understand the concept of transsexuality, or of gender identity. But do you know what? It doesn’t matter. If it makes someone happy for me to refer to that person as “she”, well, that’s easy enough.
Even the notorious restroom issue is no big deal: Why does it matter if someone with a penis (or who used to have a penis) uses the women’s room, or if someone with a vagina (or who used to have one) uses the men’s? I mean, like it or not, I think we all agree that homosexual people exist, which means that we’ve already got some people using the same restroom as people they’re sexually attracted to. It hasn’t caused any big problem yet, so why would we expect it will now?
Does this mean that I would want to date, or marry, a transgendered woman? Maybe not. But last I checked, nobody’s forcing me to marry anyone I don’t want to. So that’s not an issue, either.
What, exactly, is the issue, then? Why should anyone object to transsexuality?
Because it’s part of a PLOT to take away the urinals from men’s bathrooms. Transgendered folk are out to de-masculinize men by forcing them to use girly-girl toilets to pee, rather than manly, he-man style urinals.
IT’S IN REVELATIONS, PEOPLE!!!
I thought it was in 1st Johns.
Umm nature and God made short men and tall men. Those forces did not make transgenders. Transgenderism is a social construct.
Also, I’ve dealt with people like you my whole life. So have other short men. And as I said, we’re not out blaming “patriarchy” and “oppression” for God-given woes. We’re not asking for laws to be changed.
Exactly. Gender itself is a social construct.
Bullshit. You know nothing about the topic. You very obviously bear personal hatred for trans people, and you just make stuff up about them without knowing anything.
Your pronouncements about trans people are worth no more than David Duke’s assertions about Jews or black people.
Let go of your personal feelings of repulsion, disgust, and hatred. They don’t do you any good, nor do they do anyone else any good. Those feelings only lead to unhappiness, for you and others.
So you want the right to insult people and say they’re disgusting, but you don’t want people to get upset when you do that? Yeah, that makes sense. :dubious:
So you’re saying you DO suffer from a Napoleon Complex, aka Short Man’s Syndrome? That’s not exactly a compliment, or something to be proud of. In fact, I’m starting to wonder if it’s not just your “height” that you’re compensating for.
The same reason people objected to homosexuality: if they make life as unpleasant as possible for these people, maybe they’ll go back in the closet or even, you know, stop doing whatever icky stuff they’re doing.
The study showing differences in the brains of cisgendered and transgendered (which are different from the differences between straight and gay brain structure) would be evidence against this assertion. Do you have any evidence for your assertion?
I think it is more accurate to say that gender roles are social constructs but I believe that gender itself is an objective thing again citing studies showing differences in brain structure as evidence.