I definitely know that different women react and progress from rape differently, and I don’t think any woman is less or more ‘developed in her recovery’ for thinking either way. I was just trying to express to Diogenes that in fact i DO speak from first hand experience. I haven’t been living in pleasantville.
My attacker is happily married these days with three children and his mother still talks to my mother at the grocery store. I used to hope terrible things on him. HORRIBLE. Now I just hope that he realizes what he did and is sorry for it, even if he doesn’t apologize to me. I hope he’s matured and grown up a lot and broken out of his horrible psychotic sort of depression.
I also know the pain of seeing the murderer of a family member. My cousin was beaten to death with a baseball bat for his stereo while he slept. And while in the courtroom, he gave my uncle the finger when he was found guilty.
He’s in prison for a long time. But I don’t wish rape on him. I wish repentance and rehabilitation.
Mr B, who asked you? I’m not trying to “draw” Monty out. If you didn’t notice, he posted to ME first.
Monty, learn the difference between fact and opinion. I have an opinion that differs from your own. That does not make me a “piece of shit”. Is everyone in this thread that disagrees with you a “piece of shit”? You don’t KNOW what kind of person I am, therefore you can’t make a “factual comment” about that. You know precisely one thing about me, and that is that I don’t have sympathy for Jeffrey Dahmer, and that I think the person who attacked me is worthy of having it done to him.
Mr B, who asked you? I’m not trying to “draw” Monty out. If you didn’t notice, he posted to ME first.
Monty, learn the difference between fact and opinion. I have an opinion that differs from your own. That does not make me a “piece of shit”. Is everyone in this thread that disagrees with you a “piece of shit”? You don’t KNOW what kind of person I am, therefore you can’t make a “factual comment” about that. You know precisely one thing about me, and that is that I don’t have sympathy for Jeffrey Dahmer, and that I think the person who attacked me is worthy of having it done to him.
>>>Mr B, who asked you?<<<
Sorry Jaade, didn’t realize this was a closed discussion. And no need to repeat yourself.
Unless we are to return to a method of justice that is almost 3,800 years old, it is unacceptable for our modern civilization to extract like-for-like retribution. It is also a most loathsome side to humanity that we almost categorically enjoy another person’s displeasure or suffering, especially if that other person has done some bad stuff.
Getting your shit pushed in against your will is not funny.
I used to have a friend that every time someone told a joke would say “thats not funny man, my grandfather died like that!” no matter what the joke was about. Which is of course the crux of this debate, to someone whos been raped the thought of it being funny is beyond words. The same as dead baby jokes would be to someone who’s lost a child, or 9/11 jokes to someone who lived trough it or lost a loved one. Some of us haven’t had to deal with any of that though and certain situations or actions would seem despicable to some make us laugh.
That’s not even a nice try, Jaade. I wasn’t addressing the mere fact that you have a different opinion than I do. I was addressing the particular opinion you have: that of wishing random violence (outside of the legal system) on someone.
It doesn’t freaking matter who asked Mr B. What he tried to inform you is true.
You must have missed the post about it being the younger, weaker, less violent inmates who get raped, and it’s the more violent inmates, i.e., rapists and murderers, who do the raping.
You are apparently thinking that low-level dope dealing is a crime fittingly punished via homosexual rape, while rapists and murderers should only be incarcerated.
Also, if we’re gonna have homosexual rape as punishment, people should be sentenced to it. The official U.S. Bureau of Prisons stance is that it’s not tolerated. I don’t believe 'em for a minute, in fact, I think we should put a few jailers in jail until the prison personnel get serious about preventing prison rape.
I would consider the wishing of bad things upon someone to be equivalent with an opinion.
If Jaade were advocating a prison system in which rape were actively encouraged, or a legal system in which rape were a common sentence, I could understand the all the spittle flying around about her comments.
But hell…I wished terrible things on the asshole who attacked me. I don’t think that makes me inhuman or a piece of shit. I think it’s just a very human reaction to a horrible event, and I think it’s wrong to tell someone they aren’t allowed to feel that way, or that feeling anger to that degree is somehow immoral. The fact that I don’t wish those things on him now in no way negates the fact that for years and years, I did…I’m still the same person, I’ve just grown past some of that fury.
You can’t dictate the way someone responds to violence or pain any more than you can dictate how someone should grieve. How can any one of us be in a position to make a moral judgement on the way someone feels?
IMO, of course.
Rape serves no legitimate penological purpose. It is the equivalent of torture, and offense to the concept of human dignity, for prisons to callously look the other way while this goes on.
Ok Monty, we shall have to agree to disagree. I don’t really care if you thought what I said was a “good try” or not. I’m not here to impress you.
What you said is :
Your feeling that I am a “piece of shit” because I don’t have sympathy for what happened to Jeffrey Dahmer, or wouldn’t have sympathy for the guy who raped me is an OPINION. Not a fact.
Got it now? It’s still not a fact.
Really? What WAS his point here?
Mr. B: How clever. I thought I would post it twice, so that you could read it twice, and maybe understand it eventually. :wally
The board kept eating my post, and in fact didn’t post it for several hours after I originally wrote it. Your comment to Monty about me was paramount to calling me a troll for daring to disagree with him. Your contribution doesn’t add anything to the discussion, therefore it was unnecessary.
Bodypoet: Thank you for understanding.
To all: No, rape isn’t right, not even when done to those who have done it to others. Wishing bad things on other people isn’t morally right either, but it does happen.
Honestly, most jokes are in bad taste…it just depends on who you ask. (Or, as I said earlier, it’s a matter of perspective)
~J