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Oh my god! I got shifted to the Mirror, Mirror universe again.
gotta fix that damn microwave oven …
OK, I was born in '72, which means I missed most of the original hippie movement. However, I did see TOS in reruns, and I swear to God, those fucking Space Hippie commune FUCKS are the reason I have a strong, visceral aversion to all hippies everywhere to this day.
Ick.
Well, I’m going to throw in my vote for Chakotay, here …
“Surely not,” you say. “Chakotay? What can you possibly have against spiritually sensitive, mature, responsible, dependable, loyal, perfect Starfleet executive officer Chakotay?”
Um … how about the fact that he’s supposed to be a freaking terrorist for Spock’s sake!!!
Seriously. This is a guy who has gone back on his oath to Starfleet, and taken up arms against his own government, in support of a cause which he believes to be right. Can anybody point out so much as one microsecond in the whole of Voyager where any of that comes through? Is he remotely conflicted about rejoining Starfleet? Is there one thing about his relationship with Janeway that even suggests that, were the circumstances different, he would have no problem lobbing quantum torpedoes directly at her head? Is there cobblers …
You want a reason to hate Deanna Troi? Here’s ten -
- Marina Sirtis can’t act.
- The character’s purpose on the bridge - especially why she got a chair next to the captain - was never adequately explained.
- Her ‘emotive’ insights were always blindingly obvious - certainly someone as shrewd as Capt. Picard didn’t need to be told “We need to get out of here, now!”
- In desperation to make her non-insights seem useful, the scriptwriters had other crew members take profoundly idiotic actions (Geordi beaming aboard the ship full of ‘slow’ aliens all by himself, with no weapons to defend himself, comes to mind as an example.)
- That awesomely bad affected accent.
- Her awesome cleavage notwithstanding, she was not the eye-candy she was obviously intended to be. IMO, Marina Sirtis simply isn’t an attractive woman.
- The final season Troi / Worf coupling. A more unlikely & unconvincing relationship there never was. Did Word need to be neutered any more?
- Riker & Troi canoodling during “Insurrection.” The only thing that made me want to see Troi & Worf again.
- Troi being possessed by an immaterial alien entity was the most overabused plot device after the ‘reset button’ and the ‘emit particles through the deflector dish’.
- Two words - Lwaxana. Troi.
If it comes down to a contest between Wesley and Troi for most annoying ST character, I’d vote for Troi - at least Wesley left after four seasons, allowing us to see three years of mostly Wes-free TNG episodes. Alas, Troi was practically front & center in virtually every episode.
She was just Nurse Ratched with a prosthetic nose.
Chakotay struck me as a pragmatist. I suspect he joined the Maquis on the basis of “what course of action will serve my people best at this time?” Then he became captain of a Maquis ship based on merit, and accepted that position believing, again, it would best enable him to serve his people. After the incident that threw the two crews together, his pragmatism told him that presenting a united front with Janeway was the course of action that would serve his people best at this time.
From StarTrek.com:
(bolding mine)
The Cardassians were his enemy, not the Federation, and so he acted the way he did in order to maintain discipline among the more radical of his crew.
Who?
I would rather have a bottle in front of me, than a prefrontal lobotomy.
Thanks! I was 8 when that movie came out, and I’ve never gotten around to viewing it.
Nor his very cool mother’s either.
Of course, being played by the kid who also destroyed Family Ties was not a good start for the character, but the suck was written in the script.
Ok I’m not likely to be agreed with here, but there are times when I really can not stand Jean Luc Picard.
Especially Early Picard.
The man comes off as so friggin stuffy and arrogant.
“Look at me I’m cultured. I’m a Renessance man!”
“We have evolved beyond your petty needs for possessions”
“I’m A starfleet Captain who tries to order around godlike beings even though we all know I haven’t been turned into a living jello mould in the shape of a pair of ass cheeks because Q thinks I do a better job of making an ass of myself”
“I know more than you but still go to talk to Whoopi Fucking Goldberg for advice!”
BLAH BLAH BLAH.
I grew to like him a little as the series wor on but man I don’t think I could spend two minutes with the character without wanting to pound that smug little smirk he gets listening to those he feels are inferior off of his face.
Still I hate Troi Welsey more…
Do we still reach?
Yay Brother!
Bingo. Troi completely eclipsed even early-Wesley on the Hate-O-Scope, for much the same reasons tim mentioned. The fact that she made some sort of appearance in nearly every episode ratcheted the hate up a bit, too–at least Wesley wasn’t always in your face.
I’ve been known to contrast ST:TNG with Babylon 5 by comparing Troi with Lyta Alexander. I usually summed it up with these quotes:
Troi: “I sense hostility.”
versus
Lyta: “Captain?”
Sheridan: “Hmm?”
Lyta: “They’re pissed.”
You and GargoyleWB are just a couple of Herberts.
My most disliked character was also Lwaxana. But both Troi’s annoyed me quite a bit. I also didn’t see any purpose for Deanna to be on the bridge.
I would notice sometimes they would try to give each character an equal number of lines by having each one in succesion saying a sentence from essentially one line of reasoning like they were Huey Dewey and Louis. I’m not saying somebody like Troi couldn’t contribute in some way, but when the solution du jour is some sort of engineering technobabble it’s not like she, or any other non-tech would have a whole lot to contribute.
Anybody remember Jason Alexander’s cameo turn in Voyager?
Good, it was terrible. Never before has any character grated so badly on my nerves.
What is this “Voyager” show you people speak of? Everyone knows that StarTrek has been off the air since DS9 closed down. With that stated, I can easily go with the cop-out choice of Wesley Crusher as the most annoying, followed closely by “Mr. Crappy Cheap Deus ex machina Plot Device” Q.
I disagree heartily with a lot of the responses heretofore announced. I always liked Riker; rarely much done with him, but I dig him because he’s just so blamed cool when he’s not on duty and, therefore, getting paid to smack people around. (Let’s ignore him falling in love with a holodeck character for the time being.) For instance, the way he reacts to impending death in the otherwise excerable “Shades of Grey” changed the way I react to misfortune in my own life.
Seven of Nine was certainly added solely for eye-candy value, but I’m sure Berman and Braga were as surprised as anybody when it turned out she could act rings around anyone in that cast besides Robert Picardo. I’d put her in the top 10 Trek actors of all time, maybe the Top 5.
And as for Neelix, well, I’m sorry, but I think you’ve got him all wrong! He’s just a guy out on his – OK no, I’m just fuckin’ with ya. He’s awful, although he gets some pretty good lines on occasion.
–Cliffy
Marina Sirtis, like Dina Meyer, almost all men, and practically no other woman on the planet, is one of those people who gets better looking as she ages. TNG pilot? Yeesh! First few seasons? Meh. Later on, when she got that green dress? Nice! Later yet, in uniform? Very nice! First Contact? Hubba hubba! Her Voyager appearances? Similarly hubba-engendering.
Presumably there’s a limit, and I seem to recall she looked a little drawn in Nemesis, but I haven’t seen it since it came out.
–Cliffy