I think whatever group Tamara and Greg would actually make for an interesting Season 3 antagonist but it would need to be pretty much the only storyline. All this other stuff is already making a hash of the series with way too much going on.
I wonder why the electroshock and not, say, waterboarding. And good call Wendy on going with creepy bodysuit and glowing eyes guy out of a bad horror movie. There was obviously no way that could be a bad idea.
They have all this access to scientific stuff…They’re scientists, their organization has access to top-tier scientists, or they’re run by scientists. Hm…maybe it’ll turn out James Randi and his evil scientist friends like Richard Dawkins are trying to destroy magic 
Really liked this episode, I can’t wait for the next one. I highly suspect they’re using the ol’ “Never Found the Body” trope, but how the hell could Bae survive that fall?? He prolly fell into Neverland, considering the episode tie in.
And how the hell are they going to get out of the destruction of the town? Both the Queen and Rumpel seem clueless about it. The show has already told us the finale is going to be “devastating”, so people are prolly going to die…maybe just the family is going to escape using Regina’s beanstalk, and she’ll sacrifice herself to save Henry? That would be really depressing though, everybody we know so far dying.
Good episode–a lot happening now. It’ll be interesting to see how they end things next week and where it’ll be headed for season 3. Looks like Regina may have another chance at redemption. I hope they don’t kill her off–I like Lana Parrilla a lot.
I’m not liking Belle’s alternate identity–hopefully they don’t drag that out beyond this season.
Peter Pan’s shadow was pretty creepy.
This secret organization that Tamara and whathisface (Ethan Embry’s character) are working for worries me, in a “I hope this doesn’t become too much like LOST” kind of way.
While it’s been pretty obvious, this episode drove home the point that the reason Regina is evil is because she’s selfish and has the emotional maturity of a 5 year old.
“You wanna discuss justification? You were going to abandon me.” is good logic for destroying the whole town in her mind.
Of course Greed and Impulse control are the source of Gold’s evil too.
Actually, it’s obvious, the reason Regina and Gold are having such a hard time redeeming themselves is because they’re doing it for specific people instead of being good for the sake of being good. And even when they were good Henry and Neal didn’t really warm up to them, and Belle/Lacey is actively encouraging Gold to be bad, so what reason do they have to be good?
It will be interesting to see if Charming and White treating them like family will have a positive influence or not.
I hate the whole “Home Office” plot. I hate that they ever introduced it at all and would hate to see it continue any longer than it absolutely has to. I should be able to sympathize with Owen, considering what Regina did to him and his father, but it just falls flat with me now because Owen is now pretty much a nutcase in his own right.
Wendy was definitely stupid for going with the shadow, and I’m not sure why he took her anyway since she later said he only wants boys (things that make you go hmmm). Then stupid Bae sacrifices himself to save the Darling boys, only to freak out and make the shadow drop him into the ocean. Well, doesn’t that mean the shadow will simply go back and get the Darling boys since he didn’t get to keep Bae?
Whatever! :smack:
I like how Emma just assumed Neal fell into a world with no way to heal a gunshot. Hello, he could land anywhere from a place where someone could just wave it away with magic to a place with more advanced medicine than the real world. She doesn’t know.
Things like withholding information and jumping to conclusions are common in shows like this.
You might even say… it’s complicated.
well -
ugh.
I’ll leave the rest of my commentary to the side - but man - Hook sure can lob a bean!
and reports are that a spinoff is planned
Bonus for the episode - the Shield preview!
Regina and Gold become good; Everybody puts aside their grudges, and they all join forces to battle Peter Pan, which is quite a coincidence seeing as how, I’m guessing, it will take all of them combined to win.
When Regina first offered to slow the diamond down I was thinking that Emma should help. I’m glad she finally remembered that she can do magic too.
I also wondered why they didn’t just try to use the bean to open up a portal in the mine and have and have them all, including Regina, jump. Outrun the fireball.
That was the original plan, but when they got down in the mine they discovered that Hook had not given them the bean, and they were screwed. Emma helping Regina magically was the backup “plan”.
An OK finale, but I really felt jerked around by the quickie resolution to the apocalypse followed by Henry’s sudden abduction. Ditto the sudden reveal that Mother Superior has been working on a potion to restore memories, which brought the Lacey story-line to an abrupt and unsatisfying end. It had to end at some point, but a little more ambivalence from Rumple would have been nice to see, like in the opening scene with Henry and the lawsuit-waiting-to-happen tire swing.
It appears next season will–like the first half of this season–feature a divided story-line, and given the amount of build-up this season for the reveal of Peter Pan as the new big-bad, I suspect that will last most of the season. With the five principals (plus Hook and Henry) all in Neverland, I suspect there won’t be much for the Storybrooke characters to do next year…
I don’t understand the motivation of Tamara and Greg. They’re working for Peter Pan? I thought they hated magic and were all about protecting our world from it. Is Greg a lost boy? How did Tamara get involved?
According to Gold’s statmentns - they don’t know who/what they are working for - but why they would jump into a portal is ‘mind blowing’.
And a field that big only produced 3 beans?
I don’t recall PP being evil - but then I don’t know that I have ever watched any incarnation of that story to know any better.
You don’t go searching for the bad guys in an enclosed env when you know they will come to the truck.
and good thing the bean didn’t create a portal when it hit the ground by accident.
and if you don’t know where it will open - how is it that Hook thinks he can navigate them to where they need to go?
Enjoyed the finale quite a lot, but I just want to be sure I’ve got this straight:
Our principals are headed to a mysterious island…
To which it is impossible to get by normal means…
And from which it is nearly impossible to escape…
To contend with a group of ostensibly “wild” folk who live in the jungles and the woods and dress in rustic clothing… who spend their free time abducting children for vague reasons at the behest of a mysterious, apparently supernatural male mastermind who is spoken of frequently but never seen?
Huh.
Huh, indeed.
This layering of convoluted unexplained plots ultimately didn’t work for “Lost”, and it’s not working here. Nothing made any sense, even by this show’s fairy tale standards. (Was it explained previously why Gold was trying to kill Henry?)
Still, seeing Rumple & Belle back together was great, but handled SO poorly. Surely there can be a way to reunite them once more. I like the idea of Hook & Rumple being forced to be on the same side, since they are really the two strongest male characters. Which one will find Neal and bond with him?
Why didn’t bael/neal react to the news of Hook? There was a scene where it was implied that Baelfire knew how to pilot the boat - but sheesh, put the guy behind the wheel for 10 seconds does not a helmsman make -
Gold was trying to kill Henry because of the prophecy that the child will be his undoing. (earlier episode, Where Rumplestiltskin meets a see-er.)
I thought they were going to try to suck the diamond into another world while they stayed in Storybrooke.
In the past a seer told him that a boy would help him find Baelfire but would also prove to be his undoing. Rumplestiltskin responded by saying that he would just have to kill the boy first. In this world Henry helped Gold find Bael/Neal.
I think you have to have a destination in mind when you use the bean, otherwise the portals would be random.