One degree of separation from JRR Tolkien

…kind of, anyway.

If you Google the name Mary Fairburn you will find some articles about her illustrations for LotR. Last year, this calender was published.

Back in 1968, a much younger Mary wrote to JRRT and sent him some illustrations she’d done. He loved them and wrote back full of praise. They carried on a correspondence for a while. Quotes in the calender article.

Anyway, she is a friend of my partner’s family, I met her myself recently, and we spoke for quite some time - she’s had a very interesting life and is still, at 83, a very creative artist and craftsperson. In fact, I completely forgot to ask anything about her Tolkien connection :smack:

Anyway, I know there are some JRRT fans on the boards here, so there it is. Kind of mundane, but also cool.

Is she a descendant of Elanor?

I am not a Tolkien guy, but those illustrations are wonderful.

Thanks for sharing this. You will have to ask more questions next time you see her!

The boats in the river look a little like Chinese style art. Quite pretty!

(I’m related to someone who wrote a book of Tolkien scholarship, with Christoper Tolkien’s permission and assistance. Four degrees of separation?)

Wonderful art, exciting connection for you to discover.

I’ve viewed the original manuscript from JRRT’s own hand, of LOTR at Marquette University.

Including the first page, where the words, in that spidery lettering of his, read: [del]The Magic Ring[/del].

But a line was drawn through that, and underneath it was written, in that same handwriting: The Lord of the Rings.

How far does that separate me from that immortal hand? About 3 inches actually. Damn that protective glass!

I’m innumerate or all-but, and calculating degrees-of-separation quickly scrambles my brain to the max. However – I seem to figure that I’m one degree further away from JRRT, than Trinopus. I attended Oxford University in the late 1960s. My then girlfriend, who was studying English, was acquainted with fellow-English-students who, unlike her, were directly taught by Christopher T. – then a tutor and lecturer in English, at that seat of learning. (It was told-of then, that Chris was given to seducing some of the more attractive of his female students: a thing of which, one reckons, his devoutly Catholic father would have taken a very dim view.)

Plus you’ve got a wonderfully Tolkienian user name!

(I sometimes use “Sangahyando” as a safe-for-work expletive. Works just right after you’ve whacked your thumb with a hammer! I also use “Kricfalusi” for the same purpose.)

What constitutes a degree of separation? I’ve met and briefly talked with both Priscilla and Christopher Tolkien, the daughter and son of Tolkien. I have no reason to think that they would remember meeting me.

Sangahyando writes:

> It was told-of then, that Chris was given to seducing some of the more attractive of his
> female students: a thing of which, one reckons, his devoutly Catholic father would have
> taken a very dim view.

Which may be why Christopher was separated from his first wife Faith in 1964 and divorced from her in 1967. He married his second wife Baillie in 1967 and is still married to her. Incidentally, if I recall correctly, both Christopher and Michael (another of Tolkien’s sons) ceased to consider themselves Catholics at some point (and Michael is now dead). His son John (also now dead) was a Catholic priest, so he continued to consider himself a Catholic. Priscilla drifted away from the Catholic church but later drifted back to it.

Oh yeah? Well, I’ve personally read volumes that were typeset from manuscripts originally written by JRRT himself! Beat that!

:wink:

It was this name; or that of his fellow-corsair-captain Angamaitë – and the latter has the downside of needing to mess around with accent on letter.

And in the end, they’ll all meet again in the Halls of Mandos – or not… (yes, I know that actually the H of M are not for humans).

Tom Shippey is a distant relation of my wife, that’s the closest I get.

Not to nitpick, but aren’t you then two degrees of separation from JRRT? The reason I ask, is that I’ve been calculating my Erdos number that way, and if your way is correct, I get to bump myself up to a 5! :wink:

My understanding is that if I meet someone, that’s no separation. Zero degrees.

If I meet person A who has met person B, I am at one degree from person B. And so on.

For example, my ex’s dad has a friend who has met Queen Elizabeth the Second. So, I am at zero degrees from my ex’s dad, as I personally know him. I am at one degree from his friend, and I am at two degrees from QE2.

Oh! I had always thought of that as one. Is there a consensus anywhere?

I did some searching, and didn’t find very much; the Wikipedia page, and several other pages, didn’t actually define the first degree of separation.

I did find this link, which, frankly, isn’t very impressive. It defines “one degree” as “everyone you know.”

If I am someone, then I’m zero degrees. If it’s someone else, the degree is at least one.

If you know somebody, you have one degree of separation.

If you know somebody who knows somebody, you have two degrees of separation.

If you know somebody who knows somebody who knows somebody, you have three degrees of separation.

Only the person from whom the distances are being measured has zero degrees.

The same is true for the Erdos number and the Bacon number.

If you co-wrote a paper with Paul Erdos, you have an Erdos number of one, and only Erdos has a Erdos number of zero.

If you were in a movie with Kevin Bacon, you have a Bacon number of one, and only Bacon has a Bacon number of zero.

Nope, sorry, Trinopus is correct at least as far as Erdős numbers go. Erdős himself was the only person with Erdős number 0; anyone who co-authored with him directly has Erdős number 1, and so forth.

This also applies to Bacon numbers, with Kevin Bacon himself having the only zero Bacon number. So I would think “Tolkien numbers” should be counted the same way, with only one zero.

Well, looks like my understanding of degrees was wrong. OK, +1 degree to everything I said.