One last question tonight. If I had a "partyboat" in INTERNATIONAL waters just....

if someone had a forty or fifty foot cabin cruiser (with a skee do on board) could you get away with “living” on these islands for a few months at a time without being chased off by the military. I am especially talking about the ones in the South Pacific (the remote ones such as Eiao and Hatutu). If so how would you anchor your boat (since I don’t think these islands have natural harbors) so that it wouldn’t be lost during even your typical storms? Also, what type of boat would be the best choice for the aveage person who wanted to cruise the South Pacific to Hawai? Would you want a cabin cruiser or would a sailboat with an outboard be a better choice. How big would you want it to be, would forty to fifty feet be enough? This is our dream (okay my dream she still needs work to come around) and I want to know if it’s not feasibe before I spend years longing for something that is just not practicle.

The same thing, but with a completely different kind of purpose to the law-evading was done here in Ireland, where a Dutch-run abortion ship was floating around just outside of Irish waters.

I’m not sure but I think the Irish government somehow put a stop to it.

Apparently a Canadian student is trying to move Napster severs to an abandoned oil rig in the North Sea.

What someone should do is buy an abandoned oil rig to realise Rolands idea. Simply install wind turbine generators for power. Food can come from fish, the seaweed farms - and of course the occasional shipment of Spam.

You could probably grow fruit and veggies in the greenhouses. Oh yeah cover half the deck with greenhouses - which also act as a conservatory - a nice warm spot to sit back, smoke some of the home grown buddah, drink the oil-rig-rum and listen to Bob Marley mp3s.

A few strategically placed guns should keep the gate crashers out.

I reckon you might be onto something Roland. People would pay good money to go to a place like that.

You could also run a radio station that plays ‘A Walk in the Black Forest’ 24/7. :wink:

  1. The other book by Fisher is called Uninhabited Ocean Islands. But note, just because they are uninhabited does not mean they are not claimed by some government which regulates things like drugs, prostitution, or casino gambling. Also, most or all of these are uninhabited for a reason - no ports, little or no fresh water, not close to anything such as a Walmart or vet for your animals, no electricity or communications, etc. IN the example above, what happens if you take your boat to the island, disembark in good weather, and then your boat sinks a month later when the weater gets rough - how do you get off the island? And if the government laying claim to your island gets concerned, who wants to spend their life “hiding” in the jungle, even if that were feasible?

  2. Yes, countries will apply their laws to their citizens who commit crimes in other jurisdications. If a person in one state kills a person in a second state while in the the second state, he can be tried for murder by either state. The US has a federal law against sex tourism. A physician in suburban Atlanta was recently indicted for traveling to foreign countries to have sex with young men - Russia I think. Such prosecutions are rare but possible.

  3. Loompanics and Eden Press distribute several titles that shed light on some of these questions, but rely on that advice and avoid the IRS at your own peril. One interesting title is a book called “Permanent Traveler.” The idea behind the book is to avoid taxes by being a permanent traveler - put all your asssets in one country like switzerland, and then keep relocating every 6 months. You probably need a second, non-US passport to do this, but both publishers have books about this. Second passports are no longer easy to obtain for US citizens, but remain desirable since the US seeks to tax income of its citizens worldwide, without regard to where it is earned.

I have that book by Erwin Strauss (How to Start Your Own country). Strauss is a scary man. His favorite suggestion for keeping the world powers (ie, the US government) off your back is to obtain several nuclear bombs and hide them in several major cities so as to blackmail the government into leaving you alone. And the tone of his writing seems to imply that he does not see anything wrong with this strategy. Still, the reference part of the book is interesting.

Also, I believe that some activities, like murder and piracy, are considered to be illegal everywhere, and any ship from any nation that finds you committing such crimes can arrest you for them.

multimillionare (or billionare) to begin with. However, I AM interested in becoming a CRNA (along with my wife) moving to Hawaii and living on a forty to fifty foot boat. Also, I would like to cruise (or possible sail depending on the advice given) it to the South Pacific on vacations and possibly “camp” on some of these islands (it beats $600.00 per day on Bora Bora on $2,000 per day on Fiji’s Turtle Island). Also during our “declining” years we have considered living on a boat in this area of the world. Also, I am simply fascinated by Kerguelen with its abudant rescources and deep BAYS (plus all that wind to drive turbines and generate electricity not to mention caves). I can’t imagine anyone spending time to drive someone off an island like this (or a small colony), I feel much the same about the Kermadec Islands. I can’t see New Zealand going nuts over a small colony, and they are located at a fairly nice latitude.

At least as regards gambling, the answer is Yes, even on a U.S.-flagged vessel from at least some states.

I believe that there is a ship being built off the coast of Guatamala or some other S. American country in that area that is designed to be a “nation” as you descrive. Fulley equipped with a hospital, etc. Some insane amount of people in the 10’s of thousands.

And I bet they polish it every week, whether it needs it or not…

Weird that the OP mentions the Kerguelens. A close friend of mine works in the french ministery overseeing oversea territories, and told me that from time to time, they would have a call from someone wanting to live in one or another of these desolated places (note that the thing is called “desolation” Island for a reason). They tell them that they can’t from both a practical and a legal point of view (though actually I’m not sure about the second part. I suspect they tell so just to avoid having to fish out someone out of a forgotten by the gods place once they’ll have realized that living on a glacier with penguins isn’t that great an idea. Some of these islands are natural preserve, though, so living there would actually be illegal).
Now, I suspect that indeed someone could do so discreetly and avoid being found, but I’m not sure living alone on a frozen island sucking ice and eating penguins would be my dream life.

Even if it were paradise, it would not be. I mean, there would be no plumbing. No grocery store. You would have to go to herculean efforts to ensure a stable food supply, and you likely would not have much variety in your food supply. Things like entertainment, communications, health care, and safety (pirates, animals, elements, disease, natural disasters) would be very unavailable. Most of these places are very much in the middle of no where.

For someone with limited means, you would be much better off relocating to a rurual area in a developed or semi developed country. For someone with financial means, your money would be no good in such places.

It should be noted that Kerguelen Island is one of the few dry spots that are directly opposite the contiguous (lower 48) states. Part of it is directly opposite northern Montana, although most of it is opposite Canada. (There’s a couple other islands further north that are opposite eastern Colorado.) So anyone going to Kerguelen is going to be as far away from the US as they can get without leaving the planet.