Of course KB&R fucked up. That’s not at issue here.
I’m just wondering how the fuckup is the fault of the Republican Party, per the OP. That’s an overly simplistic viewpoint, IMHO.
I guess the answer to my question is “less than half an hour”.
Got it. Thanks for being honest about your inability to come up with anything better than “Clinton did it”.
(Because “Johnson did it” is actually even less impressive than “Clinton did it”)
Maybe someday you’ll have an epiphany and realize that the Repubs are no better than the Dems. I mean, you say it in every other post. Maybe someday your brain will process what you continually spew.
-Joe
And maybe, similarly, you’ll have an epiphany and realize that the Dems are no better than the Repubs.
Neither party being a repository of perfect virtue, I’ll vote for the one that is marginally dishonest, yet inclined to support issues I care about.
I am an issues voter, and never claimed to be anything but.
That isn’t to say that corruption shouldn’t be punished, mind. I’m all for that. I’ve just been around long enough not to be surprised to find it on either side.
What big margins you have!
The OP never said that and it’s misleading of you to try to change the subject like this.
In fact, the OP entirely focuses on the lack of GOP reaction to a situation that endangered American troops.
We hear constant screams about how public concerns for civil liberties (NSA taps and the PATRIOT Act) encourage the terrorists and put lives in danger*. Here, we have some indication that troops in a combat zone were knowingly left at risk for months and that’s somehow not worthy of outrage (or even investigation)?
In summary, it’s not the GOP’s fault that Halliburton fucked up, it’s the GOP’s fault that they don’t seem to care that Halliburton fucked up.
*Caffee: His life was in danger?
Jessup: Yes.
Caffee: Grave Danger?
Jessup: Is there any other kind?
Heh. Love that scene…
Do you even know how Congress works?
There is no way that the Republicans could impede an investigation if the Democrats really wanted one. All they would have to do would be to contact the GAO and have them look into the matter.
David M. Walker, who has been the Comptroller since 1998, has received almost universal praise from Republicans and Democrats alike for the way he runs the GAO. He’d get to the bottom of the matter quickly, if he hasn’t already.
What the Democrats really want isn’t an investigation, but hearings on TV where they can draw links between Halliburton and current Republican officials, and score big political points. If they want to do that, they’ll have to rent a room and convince cameras to show up. Senate committees aren’t obligated to give them the time.
Y’know, all this political sniping is surely the main issue here, as opposed to the small side point that our SOLDIERS are drinking water that’s contaminated with coliform bacteria–which, as most people know, is primarily found in feces.
In other words, you jackholes who make me ashamed to be liberal, Mr. Moto’s right–this is not a Republican issue so much as it is a KB&R issue, and the focus should be on the corrupt military-industrial complex that we ALL, Republicans and Democrats alike, helped build over the past six decades.
If the current crop of Republicans has aroused your ire to look for abuses, that’s wonderful–but don’t pretend this (literal) shit exists in a vaccuum solely inhabited by right-wingers. They just happen to be the ones in charge when it’s really starting to come home to roost.
My impression is that the OP is pissed at the apparent foot dragging by GOP in regards to this fuckup.
I’ve found it helpful to treat the D or R after the name as a variable. Doesn’t seem that many people do that these days.
So you’re guessing that this was a mistake? I’d say it’s roughly as likely that it was simply deliberate cost-benefit decision that the odds of discovery and investigation were low enough in the current “environmentalists-are-terrorists” Republican mindset that cleaning up the contamination wouldn’t be worth the risk. They’re only troops; it’s not like we go to very great effort to prtect their well-being in other ways.
Sailboat
I think there are two damning point in this. That Haliburton’s PR dept knew of it before there was any move to fix it. And that Republicans are afraid to open an investigation.
And I know about the CBO option for an investigation. But you would think that the more hawkish members of congress would like to be seen as standing up for our members in uniform when they’ve been poisoned for over a year.
In the PR and pimping that is DC, I’m pretty amazed that it hasn’t happened yet.
So you’re saying that none is better than the other, right?
No more complaints about the Democrats then, correct? Because, as you’ve just admitted, the Republicans are just as bad. As such, bitching about one and not the other makes you a huge hypocrite, right?
And this:
Is actually a total contradiction of what you’ve said previously in the thread. You’ve said that it’s not a big deal because Democrats have done it, too. Which is apparently the only thing those who do your thinking for you have supplied you with so far. But then you go ahead and say that corruption should be punished…presumably in contradiction to every fucking word you’ve said in this thread.
Don’t pretend you’re not a partisan hack - you’re not fooling anyone. Unless, of course, you’re fooling yourself. In that case, you’re just deep, deep in Cognitive Dissonance Land.
-Joe
Yes. Yes, I do.
From here PDF!
So, while the Democrats can certainly request an investigation (and still may - the announced hearings do not preclude this option), if the (GOP) leadership would call for a mandate, the request would be given higher priority.
I guess my point is that while the GOP can’t preclude an investigation request by the DP, they lose the “we love our troops” high ground by refusing to lead in requesting one.
Is this the best you can do for the scandal of the week?
On the face of it, we are to believe that The GOP sucks and doesn’t care about our troops because they are not particularly receptive to this story being touted by Byron Dorgan which says that Halliburton inadvertently supplied tainted water to our troops.
Let me tell you why the GOP is not receptive. It’s because you’re all totally fucking full of shit. Everything the Democrats say or do is complete bullshit. The only agenda they have is to impeach Bush. Their only platform is that the GOP is bad.
In support of these presupposed conclusions they will latch onto any flimsy story or interpret all evidence and sift through all information mining those nuggets that support the viewpoint.
They will ignore the existance and deny any contradictory evidence.
They have no spepticism but will beleive or support anything.
RTFirefly, for an intelligent person who used to have my respect, you have become a total flake and a knee-jerk as far as politics are concerned.
The GOP is bad because it’s not going after Durgan’s story? I don’t beleive Durgan gives a shit about the troops, and frankly I don’t think you do either. I think you’re total concern is how you can use them and this incident to make the GOP or Bush look bad, and I think it’s deplorable and disgusting.
If anything else were true, you would not present this story as a fact that makes the GOP look bad. You would have provided a link that gave us the complete story, and let us know
Not only that, but the sum total of the allegations seem to come from Carter, a disgruntled former employee, and do not appear to be supported by the water testing records for that time period.
So, instead of asking why the GOP is unconcerned, I’d like to ask why the Democrats are so stupid, gullible, and intent upon making their poltiical opponents look bad even at the expense of their own integrity.
Listen - Absolutely, if you don’t think there’s a problem with this, sit there and make fucking excuses. Blame the system! Blame the biases of the Democrats! Blame Woodrow Wilson or FDR!
If not, do some fucking thing about it.
This is why it is your problem:
http://santorumexposed.com/serendipity/archives/123-Ask-Not-What-Santorum-Can-Do-For-You.html
Republicunts will absolutely bask in the reflected glory of the military. And then fuck them at every turn. Lickspittles will jump up with every excuse for why their people aren’t responsible and shouldn’t be expected to do anything about it.
Put a bumper sticker on your car. It’s just like serving.
It’s shit like this that makes me fucking sick to my stomach. There was contaminated water. The “suppliers” knew about it and did nothing about it. Now, once again, it is the fault of everyone except those who did it. Fuck that bullshit.
And another thing…
Santorum and the “fightin’ 101st keyboard avengers” can take their bumper stickers and shove them up their asses. Sideways.
Your lack of skepticism is interesting. If there was contaminated water why did it test fine by the army? The one brief excerpt from a Halliburton memo seems to seek the facts, but they don’t find any contaminated water.
Why are you so willing to accept the word of one disgruntled employee over the army’s tests, its surgeons, and the company’s investigation?
Does it occur to you that this one single man possibly has an axe to grind?
The truth of the matter is that you choose to beleive it because it’s useful to you. Whether or not it’s true doesn’t matter, does it?
Like you give a shit about contaminated water for the troops. Bullshit.
It’s just something for you to use to bitch about Halliburton, and the GOP.
It apparently was not just one disgruntled ex-employee. Like you give a shit about anything except your boy Bush and his cronies, or trashing any and all Dems.
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/10977706/
It looks like anyone who quietly raised the flag within the company through channels is or will be an ex-employee. Don’t fix the problem, fire the guy who did his job and told you about it. After all, like Jennifer Dellinger might have said, it don’t mean shit unless someone finds out. Keep on waving your flag and playing with your bumper stickers, you twit. Better get one of those yellow elephant stickers too.
Stevie-me boy:
No. Apparently, it was. William Granger’s memo looks to be based on what Carter wrote and the military was unable to duplicate and Halliburton was unable to duplicate… as I quoted previously.
You do it for me with your consistent one trick pony brand of stupidity. I don’t support Bush. I’m against him because of his domestic policies and spending. I acknowledge the possibility that the water was actually contaminated. I have no problem with that possibility.
The problem I have is with gullible flakes who will accept anything without skepticism that serves their purpose, and especially when that purpose is so blindingly transparent.
The problem I have is with your insistence on assuming that based on this guy’s report that the water was definitely contaminated. You accept no other possibility because it does not further your argument. Your preselection and penchant for mining the facts makes your arguments rationally useless.
The internal memos appear to be based on Carter’s analysis. They did not appear to be able to substantiate it and one of the excerpts expresses a need to find the facts.
That’s just stupid. You base that on one employee who quit?
He quit, dumbass.
Bring facts next time.