Oops. Looks like we were lied to about Obamacare after all.

According to 45 C.F.R. 147.140(g), here’s the complete list of changes that can cause a plan to lose grandfathered status:

(i) Elimination of benefits [i.e., coverage for particular procedures or conditions]

(ii) Increase in percentage cost-sharing requirement [e.g., coinsurance requirement]

(iii) Increase in a fixed-amount cost-sharing requirement other than a copayment beyond a fixed maximum increase pegged to medical inflation

(iv) Increase in a fixed-amount copayment beyond a fixed maximum increase pegged to medical inflation

(v) Decrease in contribution rate by employers and employee organizations beyond a fixed maximum decrease

(vi) Addition of an annual limit; Decrease in limit for a plan or coverage with only a lifetime limit; or Decrease in limit for a plan or coverage with an annual limit.

Grandfathered plans with lifetime limits are fine. It is false to claim that lifetime limits would be grounds for terminating an existing plan.

Indeed. And there are also no restrictions on premium increases.

Wrong.

Lifetime dollar limits on essential health benefits are prohibited for plan years beginning September 23, 2010. This applies to all plans new and renewing on or after September 23, 2010, including grandfathered plans.

Protections against lifetime limits on coverage apply to all health plans, including grandfathered plans, whether you get coverage through your employer or buy it yourself.

I could be wrong, but I think the (correct) point was that a plan previously having lifetime limits does not prevent it from being grandfathered. It’s just that post-ACA years of the grandfathered plan cannot include those limits.

I think you misunderstand what “grandfathered” means. It doesn’t mean “you have to change it”.

Having lifetime limits would would lead to the plan (without any changes) not being grandfathered. Which would lead to its cancellation. QED.

The GOP has denied every request to fund implementation of Obamacare, including the website.

So yeah, the website is a bit of a mess, but I’m still 100% supportive of the effort to get health care to people. I don’t fault Obama or Sebelius one bit in this, I blame this on the obstructionist GOP, who, days before the exchanges went live, shut down the government for 2 weeks. Any federal program due to be implemented would have had issues. If anyone should be fired or disciplined, it is each and every Republican in Congress who tried to delay and defund this law.

Grandfathered means it doesn’t have to comply with most of the requirements of the ACA. That’s how it is defined in the statute.

Obama has always been quite clear that some of the changes will apply to every single insurance policy, including the grandfathered ones.

Right. Can you point out his statements to that effect around the time he was blabbering about “You can keep your insurance plan if you like it. Period.”? Because I liked my plan. Still like it. It is way better than anything on Obamacare exchanges. And I can’t keep it - because Obamacare says it cannot exist.

Sure. In this video, the two statements are literally back-to-back.

Another example from his speech at the signing:

Um - that is NOT from the time period I asked.

Neither is this one. Try again.

I think at this point all we know is that your insurance company says ‘because of Obamacare it cannot exist’. And that may be true, but we haven’t gotten to the bottom of exactly why. And we know insurance companies in other cases have been disingenuous in their claims that Obamacare is the culprit. So at this point I’m still skeptical.

The time period you asked was "around the time he was blabbering about “You can keep your insurance plan if you like it. Period.” Since he said that quote in both sources, I’m not sure what your problem is.

You want something from before March 2010?

When Obama said that insurance companies had to offer “free preventive care”, what did he mean by “free”? They had to offer it without raising rates or reducing any other benefits as an offset?

Huh. That accords with the Kaiser website too: FAQ: Grandfathered Health Plans - KFF Health News

I did check another site before posting, but I can’t seem to find it back now. Regardless, I appear to have been mistaken re lifetime limits, and I apologize for misleading.

After the law was signed he didn’t need to be the salesman and lie anymore, did he?

I already gave the reason. Lifetime limit of $2M.

What a silly argument. Did you think about it for more than 2 seconds?

But since you asked, here’s a pre-passage cite explaining that parts of the ACA affect all policies:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/remarks-president-house-vote-health-insurance-reform

If that’s the reason they gave, it’s a lie. Dropping the lifetime limit does not prevent grandfathering.

Didn’t the shutdown start on the same day - not “days before”? And how did that affect the readiness of the website (development of which spanned a couple of years)?

Richard: I’m not sure if you’re talking about the part (around 1 m) where Obama says if you’re one of the 250M Americans with insurance, you get to keep it and that the ACA will make it more secure and more affordable. But is it really the case that none of us is having to pay more for our existing insurance because of the new requirements the ACA places on it? Even with the subsidies, I’m having a hard time believing that is true.