It’s not like I expected you to change your opinion. Your agenda gets in the way.
While I would like to learn more about my agenda and how I only hew to the party line in GD and how you’re just a neutral observer, I imagine it might be a little boring for our fellow posters.
Instead, I’ll leave it here unless you have any actual arguments you’d like to make.
Are you saying that requiring the elimination of lifetime limits is not substantial enough to call the subsequent plan changed? My take would be that it is is substantial enough.
If the President said you can keep your engine if you like it … and you actually believed him … then the fault is yours.
It’s obviously changed. The question is whether it is changed in substantial enough way to say that your policy has been taken away from you.
Since no one prefers lifetime limits, what we’re really talking about is whether the increase in premium constitutes so substantial a change as to say I cannot keep my old policy. Lifetime limits affect about 20,000 of the 91 million people with policies containing lifetime limits. Removing the limits increases premiums by about 1%, on average (less than that for someone who had a 2MM limit to begin with).
I do not regard increasing premiums by <1% to have eliminated my previous plan. Given how often my rates have changed through the natural business cycle and medical inflation, I’m not sure I would notice.
Given the figures you wrote (I assume they are accurate) then that seems fair with respect to the limits.
I just checked the web-site, Terr premium goes up $2 for a Gold plan … an extra thousand for OOP but no limits.
Seriously … two lousy dollars … just one less bong hit per week … C’mon …
Wrong. You checked for the wrong age. The cheapest “gold” plan for me was (from memory, since the web site gives me “The service is temporarily unavailable. Please try again later.” right now) something like $1400/month.
Cite, please, for me ever opining that people who are not required to vote on bills should read them. In totality or in part.
I’ll wait.
Right … I forgot I live in a state that’s a hot bed of socialism.
You want a *cite *for one of your innumerable childish japes about what you (incorrectly) think Pelosi said about finding out what’s in the law? :rolleyes:
Ah, the * ad hominem * attack … always the last ditch effort of those who are wrong.
Or of those who just aren’t interested in taking the time to tell the stubborn what they already know they did.
I’ll take it, then, that you are unable to come up with even one—1— cite where I opined that people who are not required to vote on bills should read them. In totality or in part.
But I already knew that. And, so did you. Yet, you like to flap those gums, don’tya boy?
Everyone ease down. I don’t give a damn how often you all have been arguing against each other nor how much you’ve got ingrained animosity. Ad hominems and name-calling is not permitted.
So knock it off. Keep it up and I’ll be tossing warnings out.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/obamacare-navigators-gop-smear-campaign
GOP Ramps Up Smear Campaign Against Obamacare Navigators
The very latest up to the minute rock solid reason why Obamacare must be stopped dead in its tracks before the Humungous rules the smoking ruin that once was America!
That’s right, the Nefarious Navigators of the Nanny State! Felons, mother stabbers, father rapers and other denizens of the Group W Bench are being recruited to steal your identity and harvest your organs!
“Americans who’ve lost their insurance and find themselves forced onto the exchanges – the last thing they need is to worry about some felon stealing their identity," says Sen. McConnell, the narcoleptic turtle from Kentucky.
Word has it that the champion of truth, the legendary James “Popcorn Pimp” O’Keefe is on the case! And notice: not once has the Obama administration denied any involvement of ACORN!
Wake up, America! Connect the dot!
And today we learn about more lies. The White House did know that the site was likely to fail as early as the spring, based on a report THEY requested:
Now it’s possible I guess that White House officials didn’t bother to inform the President, but if so, that’s stunning. How out of the loop can you get when the people working in your own house keep things from you like that. That’s gotta be a firing offense. And these same officials also lied to Congress when they told them the site was doing fine. That’s an impeachable offense for those officials. Every one of them that lied to Congress should be fired immediately.
Obama has ‘fixed’ the plan cancellation issue because the insurers cannot cancel plans and raise the rates while blaming it on the ACA. The insurers have been doing that for years prior to the ACA.
So Obama has kept his pledge. There is no Obama ‘lie’ that exists anymore. Obama explained the grandfather language put in the ACA didn’t work as expected… so he fixed it.
Now if you wish to focus on a genuine political lie by a high ranking politician take a look at this one:
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/boehner-fails-to-fail-on-obamacare
It reads as follows:
Well, the state I live in, CA, is not accepting Obama’s “fix”. This is a state controlled entirely by Democrats. It takes more than a presidential decree to reverse changes that states and insurance companies have been working on all year.
Sorry, but the lie is alive and well here, as it is in every other state that does the same.
What criteria are you basing your conclusion that the State of California is not accepting Obama’s fix of the ACA grandfather clause?
No matter what state regulators and health insurers do with regard to the canceled plans, they can no longer blame the increase in premiums on the ACA for this year which is what Obama fixed.
The vast majority of canceled plans are one year plans and many were sold after the ACA law passed. Neither the ACA nor Obama promised anyone that the health insurers would not try to price gouge and continue to screw their customers during this transition period. Obama said the ACA would not cause it.
And Obama has put the word out that the ACA is not causing this run of price gouging by the health insurance industry.
Obama’s promise is kept. Now its time to examine the insurance companies for doing what they’ve done.
How many people have canceled plans in California? Is it around 200,000? what percent of California’s population is in the private insurance market and makes more than $40,000 a year?
Surely you are aware of this data.